You should know that the system is not meant to detect corruption.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps I should qualify that. Lest the prorammers in the list believe > you. Hehehe > > I think we should at least be realistic enough to note that some > corrupt officials are completely willing to corrupting anyone > including programmers. > > Do I trust pogrammers? Not all. Do you? Btw. Let's keep the discussion > to technical stuff and let us not question each other's technical > capabilities. Peace. > > Regards, > Danny Ching > > > On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> If you don't trust programmers, you are in the wrong profession. >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> I don't trust programmers who hide their code. Although not all >>> reviewers are honest, all it takes to expose anomalies in open source >>> is one honest reviewer. >>> >>> However in a close source system all it takes to corrupt the system >>> is >>> one corrupt programmer. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Danny Ching >>> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You don't trust programmers? >>>> >>>> This precisely what's wrong with source code review. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Very true. Unfortunately, I do not trust the programmers if I >>>>> cannot >>>>> check their work. The purpose of source code validation is not to >>>>> check the computer or it's software's trustworthiness. A computer >>>>> will >>>>> do what it's told. It is human corruption I'm worried about. Of >>>>> course >>>>> outside of computers that is a different problem altogether. I just >>>>> don't want people blaming computerization for failure of elections. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Danny Ching >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected] >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What you mean is the trustworthiness of the people running the >>>>>> system. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll say one thing from my experience, you can't use the system >>>>>> to >>>>>> arrest >>>>>> human corruption. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I think I see where you are coming from. It is not the system we >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> worried about sir. It is the trustworthiness of the system. A >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> exposure of the code will show that it is not doing anything >>>>>>> out of >>>>>>> the ordinary. Besides. If the code is indeed simple as you said, >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> checking the cource code should be easy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A tester does not need to know about programming to test and >>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>> a System. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:47 PM, fooler mail <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Remember, Election Automation Software is one of the easiest >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> develop. >>>>>>>>>> It is "Count and Tally", nothing complicated and convoluted. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> true.. BUT... the purpose of source code review is to examine >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> is something beyond the count and tally thing which cannot be >>>>>>>>> seen by >>>>>>>>> your simulation test.. as what danny said - TRIGGERS.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> special keyboard hotkey, special packets, special ER and others >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> trigger the manipulation of votes to do the dagdag-bawas >>>>>>>>> scheme... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>>>>> >>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>>> >>>> _________________________________________________ >>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>> _________________________________________________ >>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>> >> _________________________________________________ >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _________________________________________________ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
