I don't know what you mean.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> wrote: > Shows well the intellectual maturity, reasoning skill, as well as the > real competence of the person. Wasn't the first time this happened in > the list, and it won't be the last. > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Edel SM <[email protected]> wrote: >> hay naku. >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> And the earth is flat. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Source code review will never be tolerated.Not as a method for acceptance >>>>> testing in Software Engineering. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Peddle that myth to the makers of Crucible + Fisheye, Bazaar, Google, >>>> etc. And watch the sky go crashing that you're plainly, misguidedly, >>>> wrong. >>>> >>>>> Where in the world is that happening when you simply want to know that >>>>> what >>>>> you entered is religously recorded and is not corrupted? >>>>> >>>>> Only in Pinas, I guess. >>>> >>>> And a host of other countries too. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Comelec can't release the source code. They don't have the source codes. >>>>>>> That's clear enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> But they're the only ones that can instruct Smartmatic to release the >>>>>> source code. To be fair, there are fellow PLUGgers in Smartmatic. Even >>>>>> if we exercise our connections there, we cannot legally do it since >>>>>> that is just against the rules. >>>>>> >>>>>> Heck, will you just believe us if we ask our Smartmatic counterparts >>>>>> and they say there are no backdoors? Trust yet verify. This is a >>>>>> procedure that we must adhere to. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Even if Comelec can't release the source code, it does not mean the end >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the Auteomatic Election System. A portion of the contract may be invalid >>>>>>> in view of the law, but the entire contract covering the business >>>>>>> transactions >>>>>>> between Comelec and Smatmatic may not be invalidated. That's how this >>>>>>> contract are done. A single provision that's not complied with is not a >>>>>>> justification to invalidate a contract. And that's true in this >>>>>>> situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> True. No one is calling for the death of the automated election >>>>>> system. The death referred to here is the death of the source code >>>>>> review (read the subject please!). That death is something that we >>>>>> DONT want to happen. >>>>>> >>>>>>> But we are "forking" away from the substance of our discussion, namely, >>>>>>> that people in this group are keen to see source code review. The point >>>>>>> is that it is not the efficient way to do acceptance testing of the >>>>>>> system. >>>>>>> In fact, it is the most difficult way and is not the way we do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That is the kool-aid that COMELEC wants to sell to everyone that the >>>>>> more learned people here do not buy a rat's ass out of. So you mean to >>>>>> tell us that government should just violate the law because their >>>>>> oh-so-wonderful wisdom tells us it's difficult? >>>>>> >>>>>> Since when is NOT doing a source code review EQUAL to doing a source >>>>>> code review? The fallacies are showing in your arguments man. >>>>>> >>>>>> COMELEC need not spend a single centavo just to release the source code. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> The contract isn't being discussed here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The question is about the provision of the law that is BEING violated >>>>>>>> by COMELEC. To wit, the thread started with this proviso: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "On SysTest Labs: It will do a testing of the binary executable. The >>>>>>>> testing will be more scientific than the testing done by the Special >>>>>>>> Bids and Awards Committee (that awarded the contract to Smartmatic) >>>>>>>> but will cost COMELEC more than PHP70 Million. Note that this is >>>>>>>> software testing of the binary executable, not a review of the source >>>>>>>> code, and the two are totally different "animals". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 5, 2009, CenPEG filed with the Supreme Court a >>>>>>>> petition for mandamus, asking the Supreme Court to force COMELEC to >>>>>>>> release the source code of the election programs that will be used in >>>>>>>> May, 2010 to CenPEG and to all interested political parties and >>>>>>>> groups, as provided for by law (RA-9369)." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All it takes for COMELEC to comply is just release the source code for >>>>>>>> review! Doesn't need a lawyer to interpret source, in fact, lawyers >>>>>>>> will just get in the way unless they know how to read programming >>>>>>>> source code. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Sorry, what I mean is that a portion of the contract maybe invalid but >>>>>>>>> it does not >>>>>>>>> invalidate the entire contract? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I read this law. But do you know that a portion of the law may be >>>>>>>>>> invalid but >>>>>>>>>> it does not invalidate the entire contract? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Good grief! Have you been living under a rock? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> RA-9369 Sec 12 mandates these provisions, to wit: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> “Once an AES technology is selected for implementation, the >>>>>>>>>>> Commission >>>>>>>>>>> shall promptly make the source code of that technology available and >>>>>>>>>>> open to any interested political party or groups which may conduct >>>>>>>>>>> their own review thereof." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What COMELEC is doing is ILLEGAL. Plain and simple. Welcome to the >>>>>>>>>>> reality that even constitutional bodies can do wrong. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Go carry your trolling and one-liners elsewhere boy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by law? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is we are too pedantic. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If only we are a little bit practical, pragmatic, and sensible. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then, change will come. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> You're right. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You get what you deserve, as they say. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So we're just gonna trade quips and one liners eh? Any two >>>>>>>>>>>>>> monkeys can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> play that game. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then again, you still haven't proven that a blackbox test WILL >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and SATISFY the requirement (BY LAW!) for the source code >>>>>>>>>>>>>> review. Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you claiming invincible ignorance here? This ain't the forum >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we are in a mess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a saying when you are in a hole, you stop digging. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really up to you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are conveniently forgetting that the PCOS is not just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Count and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tabulate". It also has features to ensure that the system is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tampered, whether during count or transmission, and that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crypto. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horses for courses my ass. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were just simple to simply trust governments and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people, there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be a need for a military, or for crypto at all. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the real world, and not all can be trusted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paolo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horses for courses. Military security is not comparable to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Count and Tabulate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The system is indeed not designed to detect corruption, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does a source code review indicate that with all degrees of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the presence of a backdoor indicates corruption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then again, only a source code review satisfies the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there will be no backdoors in the inspected application, be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it put by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a corrupt programmer or a programmer in a hurry to get out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office. A blackbox testing with the specifications can only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far - that the system is compliant as per specification. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceeds or subverts the specification outside the test >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conditions is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that you can only get with a code review. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone even wondered why the military is so anal about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and algorithm review when designing military ciphers? Once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underlying mantra (Kerckhoff's principle) is thoroughly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then one will understand why a blackbox testing SIMPLY DOES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT DO THE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JOB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It amazes me that there are still some segments in society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that won't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extend the same level of scrutiny to the system that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determines who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will run their government. And would rather outsource the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrutinizing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eyes to some non-stakeholder corporation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to reviewing software, you can automate all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tests, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the end of the day, NEVER TRUST A MACHINE TO DO A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUMAN'S JOB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should know that the system is not meant to detect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I should qualify that. Lest the prorammers in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list believe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Hehehe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should at least be realistic enough to note >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt officials are completely willing to corrupting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including programmers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do I trust pogrammers? Not all. Do you? Btw. Let's keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to technical stuff and let us not question each other's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities. Peace. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't trust programmers, you are in the wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profession. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't trust programmers who hide their code. Although >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewers are honest, all it takes to expose anomalies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in open source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one honest reviewer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However in a close source system all it takes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one corrupt programmer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't trust programmers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This precisely what's wrong with source code review. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very true. Unfortunately, I do not trust the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programmers if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check their work. The purpose of source code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> validation is not to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check the computer or it's software's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trustworthiness. A computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do what it's told. It is human corruption I'm worried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of computers that is a different problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether. I just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want people blaming computerization for failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of elections. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you mean is the trustworthiness of the people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll say one thing from my experience, you can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human corruption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I see where you are coming from. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the system we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worried about sir. It is the trustworthiness of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposure of the code will show that it is not doing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary. Besides. If the code is indeed simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as you said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking the cource code should be easy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A tester does not need to know about programming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to test and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:47 PM, fooler mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, Election Automation Software is one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the easiest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> develop. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is "Count and Tally", nothing complicated and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convoluted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true.. BUT... the purpose of source code review >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to examine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is something beyond the count and tally thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which cannot be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your simulation test.. as what danny said - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TRIGGERS.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special keyboard hotkey, special packets, special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ER and others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger the manipulation of votes to do the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dagdag-bawas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scheme... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List 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