If that's an insult, you need to be more specific than that.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't know what you mean. > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> wrote: >> Shows well the intellectual maturity, reasoning skill, as well as the >> real competence of the person. Wasn't the first time this happened in >> the list, and it won't be the last. >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Edel SM <[email protected]> wrote: >>> hay naku. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> And the earth is flat. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Source code review will never be tolerated.Not as a method for acceptance >>>>>> testing in Software Engineering. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peddle that myth to the makers of Crucible + Fisheye, Bazaar, Google, >>>>> etc. And watch the sky go crashing that you're plainly, misguidedly, >>>>> wrong. >>>>> >>>>>> Where in the world is that happening when you simply want to know that >>>>>> what >>>>>> you entered is religously recorded and is not corrupted? >>>>>> >>>>>> Only in Pinas, I guess. >>>>> >>>>> And a host of other countries too. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Comelec can't release the source code. They don't have the source >>>>>>>> codes. >>>>>>>> That's clear enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But they're the only ones that can instruct Smartmatic to release the >>>>>>> source code. To be fair, there are fellow PLUGgers in Smartmatic. Even >>>>>>> if we exercise our connections there, we cannot legally do it since >>>>>>> that is just against the rules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heck, will you just believe us if we ask our Smartmatic counterparts >>>>>>> and they say there are no backdoors? Trust yet verify. This is a >>>>>>> procedure that we must adhere to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even if Comelec can't release the source code, it does not mean the >>>>>>>> end of >>>>>>>> the Auteomatic Election System. A portion of the contract may be >>>>>>>> invalid >>>>>>>> in view of the law, but the entire contract covering the business >>>>>>>> transactions >>>>>>>> between Comelec and Smatmatic may not be invalidated. That's how this >>>>>>>> contract are done. A single provision that's not complied with is not a >>>>>>>> justification to invalidate a contract. And that's true in this >>>>>>>> situation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> True. No one is calling for the death of the automated election >>>>>>> system. The death referred to here is the death of the source code >>>>>>> review (read the subject please!). That death is something that we >>>>>>> DONT want to happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But we are "forking" away from the substance of our discussion, namely, >>>>>>>> that people in this group are keen to see source code review. The point >>>>>>>> is that it is not the efficient way to do acceptance testing of the >>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>> In fact, it is the most difficult way and is not the way we do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is the kool-aid that COMELEC wants to sell to everyone that the >>>>>>> more learned people here do not buy a rat's ass out of. So you mean to >>>>>>> tell us that government should just violate the law because their >>>>>>> oh-so-wonderful wisdom tells us it's difficult? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since when is NOT doing a source code review EQUAL to doing a source >>>>>>> code review? The fallacies are showing in your arguments man. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> COMELEC need not spend a single centavo just to release the source code. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> The contract isn't being discussed here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The question is about the provision of the law that is BEING violated >>>>>>>>> by COMELEC. To wit, the thread started with this proviso: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "On SysTest Labs: It will do a testing of the binary executable. The >>>>>>>>> testing will be more scientific than the testing done by the Special >>>>>>>>> Bids and Awards Committee (that awarded the contract to Smartmatic) >>>>>>>>> but will cost COMELEC more than PHP70 Million. Note that this is >>>>>>>>> software testing of the binary executable, not a review of the source >>>>>>>>> code, and the two are totally different "animals". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 5, 2009, CenPEG filed with the Supreme Court a >>>>>>>>> petition for mandamus, asking the Supreme Court to force COMELEC to >>>>>>>>> release the source code of the election programs that will be used in >>>>>>>>> May, 2010 to CenPEG and to all interested political parties and >>>>>>>>> groups, as provided for by law (RA-9369)." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All it takes for COMELEC to comply is just release the source code for >>>>>>>>> review! Doesn't need a lawyer to interpret source, in fact, lawyers >>>>>>>>> will just get in the way unless they know how to read programming >>>>>>>>> source code. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, what I mean is that a portion of the contract maybe invalid >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> it does not >>>>>>>>>> invalidate the entire contract? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I read this law. But do you know that a portion of the law may be >>>>>>>>>>> invalid but >>>>>>>>>>> it does not invalidate the entire contract? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Good grief! Have you been living under a rock? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> RA-9369 Sec 12 mandates these provisions, to wit: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> “Once an AES technology is selected for implementation, the >>>>>>>>>>>> Commission >>>>>>>>>>>> shall promptly make the source code of that technology available >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> open to any interested political party or groups which may conduct >>>>>>>>>>>> their own review thereof." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What COMELEC is doing is ILLEGAL. Plain and simple. Welcome to the >>>>>>>>>>>> reality that even constitutional bodies can do wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Go carry your trolling and one-liners elsewhere boy. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by law? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is we are too pedantic. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If only we are a little bit practical, pragmatic, and sensible. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, change will come. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're right. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get what you deserve, as they say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So we're just gonna trade quips and one liners eh? Any two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monkeys can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play that game. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then again, you still haven't proven that a blackbox test WILL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and SATISFY the requirement (BY LAW!) for the source code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review. Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you claiming invincible ignorance here? This ain't the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forum for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we are in a mess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a saying when you are in a hole, you stop digging. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really up to you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are conveniently forgetting that the PCOS is not just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Count and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tabulate". It also has features to ensure that the system is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tampered, whether during count or transmission, and that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crypto. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horses for courses my ass. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were just simple to simply trust governments and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people, there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be a need for a military, or for crypto at all. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the real world, and not all can be trusted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paolo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horses for courses. Military security is not comparable to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a system that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Count and Tabulate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The system is indeed not designed to detect corruption, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and neither >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does a source code review indicate that with all degrees >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of certainty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the presence of a backdoor indicates corruption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then again, only a source code review satisfies the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there will be no backdoors in the inspected application, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be it put by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a corrupt programmer or a programmer in a hurry to get out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office. A blackbox testing with the specifications can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only get you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far - that the system is compliant as per specification. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceeds or subverts the specification outside the test >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conditions is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that you can only get with a code review. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone even wondered why the military is so anal about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and algorithm review when designing military ciphers? Once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underlying mantra (Kerckhoff's principle) is thoroughly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then one will understand why a blackbox testing SIMPLY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOES NOT DO THE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JOB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It amazes me that there are still some segments in society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that won't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extend the same level of scrutiny to the system that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determines who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will run their government. And would rather outsource the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrutinizing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eyes to some non-stakeholder corporation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to reviewing software, you can automate all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tests, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the end of the day, NEVER TRUST A MACHINE TO DO A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUMAN'S JOB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should know that the system is not meant to detect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I should qualify that. Lest the prorammers in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list believe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Hehehe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should at least be realistic enough to note >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt officials are completely willing to corrupting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including programmers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do I trust pogrammers? Not all. Do you? Btw. Let's keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to technical stuff and let us not question each other's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities. Peace. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't trust programmers, you are in the wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profession. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't trust programmers who hide their code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although not all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewers are honest, all it takes to expose anomalies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in open source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one honest reviewer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However in a close source system all it takes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one corrupt programmer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't trust programmers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This precisely what's wrong with source code review. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very true. Unfortunately, I do not trust the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programmers if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check their work. The purpose of source code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> validation is not to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check the computer or it's software's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trustworthiness. A computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do what it's told. It is human corruption I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worried about. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of computers that is a different problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether. I just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want people blaming computerization for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure of elections. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you mean is the trustworthiness of the people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll say one thing from my experience, you can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human corruption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I see where you are coming from. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the system we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worried about sir. It is the trustworthiness of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the system. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposure of the code will show that it is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary. Besides. If the code is indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple as you said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking the cource code should be easy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A tester does not need to know about programming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to test and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:47 PM, fooler mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, Election Automation Software is one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the easiest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> develop. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is "Count and Tally", nothing complicated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convoluted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true.. BUT... the purpose of source code review >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to examine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is something beyond the count and tally thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which cannot be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your simulation test.. as what danny said - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TRIGGERS.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special keyboard hotkey, special packets, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special ER and others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger the manipulation of votes to do the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dagdag-bawas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scheme... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group 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