The truth is ego is most important than the truth. Is that the truth?
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> wrote: > If that's an insult, you need to be more specific than that. > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Oscar Plameras > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't know what you mean. >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Shows well the intellectual maturity, reasoning skill, as well as the >>> real competence of the person. Wasn't the first time this happened in >>> the list, and it won't be the last. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Edel SM <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> hay naku. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> And the earth is flat. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Source code review will never be tolerated.Not as a method for >>>>>>> acceptance >>>>>>> testing in Software Engineering. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Peddle that myth to the makers of Crucible + Fisheye, Bazaar, Google, >>>>>> etc. And watch the sky go crashing that you're plainly, misguidedly, >>>>>> wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Where in the world is that happening when you simply want to know that >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> you entered is religously recorded and is not corrupted? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Only in Pinas, I guess. >>>>>> >>>>>> And a host of other countries too. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Paolo Falcone <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Comelec can't release the source code. They don't have the source >>>>>>>>> codes. >>>>>>>>> That's clear enough. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But they're the only ones that can instruct Smartmatic to release the >>>>>>>> source code. To be fair, there are fellow PLUGgers in Smartmatic. Even >>>>>>>> if we exercise our connections there, we cannot legally do it since >>>>>>>> that is just against the rules. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Heck, will you just believe us if we ask our Smartmatic counterparts >>>>>>>> and they say there are no backdoors? Trust yet verify. This is a >>>>>>>> procedure that we must adhere to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Even if Comelec can't release the source code, it does not mean the >>>>>>>>> end of >>>>>>>>> the Auteomatic Election System. A portion of the contract may be >>>>>>>>> invalid >>>>>>>>> in view of the law, but the entire contract covering the business >>>>>>>>> transactions >>>>>>>>> between Comelec and Smatmatic may not be invalidated. That's how this >>>>>>>>> contract are done. A single provision that's not complied with is not >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> justification to invalidate a contract. And that's true in this >>>>>>>>> situation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> True. No one is calling for the death of the automated election >>>>>>>> system. The death referred to here is the death of the source code >>>>>>>> review (read the subject please!). That death is something that we >>>>>>>> DONT want to happen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But we are "forking" away from the substance of our discussion, >>>>>>>>> namely, >>>>>>>>> that people in this group are keen to see source code review. The >>>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>>> is that it is not the efficient way to do acceptance testing of the >>>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>>> In fact, it is the most difficult way and is not the way we do it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is the kool-aid that COMELEC wants to sell to everyone that the >>>>>>>> more learned people here do not buy a rat's ass out of. So you mean to >>>>>>>> tell us that government should just violate the law because their >>>>>>>> oh-so-wonderful wisdom tells us it's difficult? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since when is NOT doing a source code review EQUAL to doing a source >>>>>>>> code review? The fallacies are showing in your arguments man. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> COMELEC need not spend a single centavo just to release the source >>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The contract isn't being discussed here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The question is about the provision of the law that is BEING violated >>>>>>>>>> by COMELEC. To wit, the thread started with this proviso: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "On SysTest Labs: It will do a testing of the binary executable. The >>>>>>>>>> testing will be more scientific than the testing done by the Special >>>>>>>>>> Bids and Awards Committee (that awarded the contract to Smartmatic) >>>>>>>>>> but will cost COMELEC more than PHP70 Million. Note that this is >>>>>>>>>> software testing of the binary executable, not a review of the source >>>>>>>>>> code, and the two are totally different "animals". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 5, 2009, CenPEG filed with the Supreme Court a >>>>>>>>>> petition for mandamus, asking the Supreme Court to force COMELEC to >>>>>>>>>> release the source code of the election programs that will be used in >>>>>>>>>> May, 2010 to CenPEG and to all interested political parties and >>>>>>>>>> groups, as provided for by law (RA-9369)." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All it takes for COMELEC to comply is just release the source code >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> review! Doesn't need a lawyer to interpret source, in fact, lawyers >>>>>>>>>> will just get in the way unless they know how to read programming >>>>>>>>>> source code. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, what I mean is that a portion of the contract maybe invalid >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> it does not >>>>>>>>>>> invalidate the entire contract? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I read this law. But do you know that a portion of the law may be >>>>>>>>>>>> invalid but >>>>>>>>>>>> it does not invalidate the entire contract? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good grief! Have you been living under a rock? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> RA-9369 Sec 12 mandates these provisions, to wit: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> “Once an AES technology is selected for implementation, the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Commission >>>>>>>>>>>>> shall promptly make the source code of that technology available >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> open to any interested political party or groups which may conduct >>>>>>>>>>>>> their own review thereof." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What COMELEC is doing is ILLEGAL. Plain and simple. Welcome to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> reality that even constitutional bodies can do wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Go carry your trolling and one-liners elsewhere boy. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by law? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is we are too pedantic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If only we are a little bit practical, pragmatic, and sensible. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, change will come. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're right. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You get what you deserve, as they say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So we're just gonna trade quips and one liners eh? Any two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monkeys can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play that game. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then again, you still haven't proven that a blackbox test WILL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and SATISFY the requirement (BY LAW!) for the source code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review. Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you claiming invincible ignorance here? This ain't the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forum for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we are in a mess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a saying when you are in a hole, you stop digging. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really up to you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duh? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are conveniently forgetting that the PCOS is not just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Count and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tabulate". It also has features to ensure that the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tampered, whether during count or transmission, and that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crypto. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horses for courses my ass. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were just simple to simply trust governments and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people, there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be a need for a military, or for crypto at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you're in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the real world, and not all can be trusted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paolo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horses for courses. Military security is not comparable to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a system that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Count and Tabulate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Paolo Falcone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The system is indeed not designed to detect corruption, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and neither >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does a source code review indicate that with all degrees >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of certainty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the presence of a backdoor indicates corruption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then again, only a source code review satisfies the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there will be no backdoors in the inspected application, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be it put by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a corrupt programmer or a programmer in a hurry to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office. A blackbox testing with the specifications can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only get you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far - that the system is compliant as per specification. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceeds or subverts the specification outside the test >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conditions is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that you can only get with a code review. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone even wondered why the military is so anal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about source code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and algorithm review when designing military ciphers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underlying mantra (Kerckhoff's principle) is thoroughly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then one will understand why a blackbox testing SIMPLY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOES NOT DO THE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JOB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It amazes me that there are still some segments in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> society that won't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extend the same level of scrutiny to the system that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determines who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will run their government. And would rather outsource the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrutinizing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eyes to some non-stakeholder corporation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to reviewing software, you can automate all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tests, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the end of the day, NEVER TRUST A MACHINE TO DO A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUMAN'S JOB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should know that the system is not meant to detect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I should qualify that. Lest the prorammers in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list believe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Hehehe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should at least be realistic enough to note >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt officials are completely willing to corrupting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including programmers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do I trust pogrammers? Not all. Do you? Btw. Let's keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to technical stuff and let us not question each other's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities. Peace. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't trust programmers, you are in the wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profession. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't trust programmers who hide their code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although not all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewers are honest, all it takes to expose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anomalies in open source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one honest reviewer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However in a close source system all it takes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one corrupt programmer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't trust programmers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This precisely what's wrong with source code review. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very true. Unfortunately, I do not trust the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programmers if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check their work. The purpose of source code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> validation is not to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check the computer or it's software's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trustworthiness. A computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do what it's told. It is human corruption I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worried about. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of computers that is a different problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether. I just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want people blaming computerization for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure of elections. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you mean is the trustworthiness of the people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll say one thing from my experience, you can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human corruption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I see where you are coming from. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the system we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worried about sir. It is the trustworthiness of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the system. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposure of the code will show that it is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ordinary. Besides. If the code is indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple as you said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking the cource code should be easy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A tester does not need to know about programming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to test and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:47 PM, fooler mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Oscar Plameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, Election Automation Software is one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the easiest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> develop. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is "Count and Tally", nothing complicated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convoluted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true.. BUT... the purpose of source code review >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to examine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is something beyond the count and tally thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which cannot be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your simulation test.. as what danny said - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TRIGGERS.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special keyboard hotkey, special packets, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special ER and others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger the manipulation of votes to do the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dagdag-bawas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scheme... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippine 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