It is hard to read incomplete sentences. Really. This debate actually started with a simple thesis. "If I wanted to go out and buy solar panels from a local store and start using it, I can. Even on a Sunday".
Can we say the same of Thorium? You can buy Thorium powder but does it go with the reactor needed to generate electricity? I have no doubts Thorium has great potentials. But it is not widely available yet. If you want to start discussion on how to develop an entire ecosystem out of Thorium, be my guest. There is no need to put solar energy down. Not while it is the only renewable energy source that I can put on my rooftop. Or car dash. On Mar 28, 2015 12:32 PM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Rogelio M. Serrano Jr. > <[email protected]> wrote: > > What impact are you talking about? And corruption can't stop people > > acquiring solar power production capabilities themselves. > > problem with you ... again and again and again and again you always > love to make a wild and baseless statements without supporting facts > and evidences of all your claims... lets go point by point... > > understand and study carefully the link below... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_plants_in_the_Philippines > > solar is a low efficiency energy producer compare to other sources of > energy ... look at SaCaSol I... the largest solar plant in the > philippines with the cost of 4.2 billion pesos... it occupies 66 > hectares of land area and ONLY produce 22 MEGAWATTS of power!.. you > see the inefficiency there? > > the proprietary thorium reactor will cost you $2M per MW of power > (http://www.thoriumpowercanada.com/).. do the math how much will cost > you if the exchange rate is 45 pesos to a dollar for a 22 megawatt of > power compare to 4.2 billions of pesos of SaCaSol I?...take note that > this is first generation of commercial thorium reactor and you will > expect that is expensive... > > > > > We are lucky we can do that. In Poland users of solar panels need to pay > tax > > for every kilowatt hour of electricity they use from their own solar > panels. > > here is your first wild and baseless statements... in poland... > renewable energy is exempt from excise tax and not subject to real > estate tax... > > > http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/issuesandinsights/articlespublications/taxes-and-incentives-for-renewable-energy/pages/poland.aspx > > > Even the solar panel manufacturers have managed their waste effectively. > > see.. even renewable energy produce wastes.... you forgot batteries > are toxics too... who will manage and dispose those batteries > properly? that is another cost... > > > And > > what's the problem with using land not used for food production? You > would > > rather have people plant food crops on their roof? > > there is where the impact begins.. population are growing and people > needs land to live and to eat... do you want your solar panel which is > not efficient in producing the energy and occupy massive land mass in > exchange for food? .. wish you all the best to kill more people > because of hunger and our planet is not green anymore... > > as people are growing.. more houses are needed... it replace plants in > favor of infrastructure... that is why environmentalist proposed the > next generation of houses that their rooftop is capable to grow plants > to compensate it.... > > since im not against renewable energy.. my only complain of solar is > low efficiency to produce energy... here in boston.. there is a survey > to community this month if we go for solar roadways... yes solar cells > inside super-strong case to replace roads to illuminate road lines > using LED and heating elements to resist ice and snow... as this is > in trial stage... needs to consider personal safety (eg. wheel > traction efficiency at high speed.. breakage treshold for super heavy > vehicles... water leakage... etc. ) > > but take note if you use all the batteries in the world to store solar > energy.. it wont last for 10 minutes to supply the current world > energy consumption (see bill gates presentation on TED)... > > > > And the solar manufacturers can use solar power to produce solar cells. > > Thats interesting. > > you find that interesting? that is very interesting your > interesting... of course you need energy source... even a diesel > generator can produce solar cells and that is very interesting too... > > > Solar is very low maintenance for potentially decades. And solar cells > are > > getting cheaper every year. > > sure but the cost of destroying the green planet is much more > expensive because it occupy more space with less energy to offer... > > > > > Thorium research will require government support. > > of course because the government governs what is good and bad for her > country... > > > Even big business can not > > provide the money by themselves. > > this is your second wild and baseless statement.... how you measure > big business? > > > You think the philippine government has > > that kind of will? > > your line of thinking makes philippines down in the drain... if you > become president of the philippines... philippines is going nowhere... > people in philippine government is coterminus! > > > > > Only India has active reactors actually using thorium. > > this your third wild and baseless statement... > > > Even the u.s. never > > went that far then they shut it down. > > because you just read articles on the internet without knowing the > reason behind there and keep on debating with me with your useless > debate.. it shutdown because the US government prefer the other toxic > reactor which is plutonium waste to produce more nuclear bombs... > > > thorium needs an initiator. It does not really readily become critical by > > itself. Its supposed to absorb neutrons to become uranium.Usually the > source > > is uranium itself which we dont have. Another way would be to use neutron > > from accelerators. Which we don't have. Wait its actually illlegal to be > > producing weapons grade uranium in the Phil. > > you make me laugh.. you are now trying to project yourself as an > expert in nuclear science... this is now very interesting indeed... go > study thorium again if it is producing nuclear weapon and how much it > needs in grams of thorium and uranium assuming we dont have those in > the philippines.... this is now your fourth wild and baseless > statement... > > > Hmmmm. Accelerators require ... > > lots and lots of electricity. > > fifth wild and baseless statement... go study nuclear science more... > > > Maybe we can use solar plants to provide that > > power? > > just use that solar plants in your house as you badly needed that... > > > > > And thorium metal has the highest melting point of all metals and the > only > > possible way to use them is fuel in molten salt reactors. > > your sixth wild and baseless statement.... tungsten metal in pure form > is the highest melting point of all metals at 3422 degrees celcius > while thorium is 1750 degrees celcius... > > > Thorium is > > interesting but still it requires uranium based infrastructure. Which the > > Philippines will not have ever. > > your seventh wild and baseless statement... > > > http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/energy/se/pp/unfc_egrc/unfc_ws_IAEA_CYTED_UNECE_Santiago_July2013/12_July/6_Reyes_Philippines_U_Resources.pdf > > im really tired debating with your wild and baseless statement as you > dont provide educational value and benefits here in plug... > > fooler. > > > > > > > On Mar 27, 2015 3:22 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> i understand your side philip and i thank everybody (including you) > >> who have the courage to an open debate with me and contribute to this > >> debate... > >> > >> the problem is.. the original poster is not an open minded and > >> transparent.. and worst trying to project himself as an expert on the > >> subject matter... he hide the cons of solar energy and the impact to > >> the environment in the long run compare to other energy sources.. > >> > >> one thing to note also the connivance of our corrupt officials and > >> business man creating an artificial energy shortage because of the > >> demand and supply principle... when the demand is high and the supply > >> is low.. the price is higher... hence raking more profit... > >> > >> fooler. > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:01 PM, philip morales < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Thats is really not my point, :( if thorium is available now or if > >> > someone > >> > can start anything about it now then I will support it. Thats not a > >> > problem. > >> > :) > >> > > >> > Those who think solar is a complete waste of time then nothing stop > them > >> > from engaging with it. Also we cannot shoot down someone who wants to > >> > share > >> > his work about renewable energy if he believes there are people who > need > >> > it > >> > today. > >> > > >> > On Mar 27, 2015 10:41 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> you said: > >> >> > >> >> "Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it > cannot > >> >> not be implemented today or in the near future." > >> >> > >> >> "Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste > of > >> >> time." > >> >> > >> >> thats the question because india already implemented and why > >> >> philippines cant and doing nothing and waiting for something to > >> >> happen? > >> >> > >> >> see the tables of the link below why solar is a completely waste of > >> >> time because of low efficiency and taking a lot of space compare to > >> >> other sources of energy: > >> >> > >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_plants_in_the_Philippines > >> >> > >> >> fooler. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:47 PM, philip morales > >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > I did not say the Philippines cant its not my point. I said we can > >> >> > support > >> >> > it. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mar 27, 2015 9:33 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> other countries are using and improving thorium already... india > is > >> >> >> doing it already.. why philippines cant? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> fooler. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:25 PM, philip morales > >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > Both renewable energy and thorium have their pros and cons. > >> >> >> > Renewable energy may not be as promising as thorium but it can > be > >> >> >> > implemented and use today and can provide significant impact in > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > lives of > >> >> >> > our fellow citizen. > >> >> >> > Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it > >> >> >> > cannot > >> >> >> > not be > >> >> >> > implemented today or in the near future. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Why not use the best of both technologies? We can support Obet > in > >> >> >> > his > >> >> >> > advocacy not by using it but by just sharing his works to > others. > >> >> >> > We > >> >> >> > can > >> >> >> > reach those people who actually need it. > >> >> >> > If in the future a project about thorium came up we can support > it > >> >> >> > as > >> >> >> > well. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > If we can utilize renewable energy for the next 10+++ years its > a > >> >> >> > good > >> >> >> > investment. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Doing something that can give significant results like Obet's > >> >> >> > advocacy > >> >> >> > is > >> >> >> > not a waste of time. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a > waste > >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> > time. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Phil > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Mar 27, 2015 7:28 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> i respect that as we have different views johann... only time > >> >> >> >> will > >> >> >> >> tell someday... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> fooler. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements > >> >> >> >> > below > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > leave > >> >> >> >> > it at. Good evening. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail > >> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> hi johann... > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the > >> >> >> >> >> problem > >> >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> >> our > >> >> >> >> >> energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop > >> >> >> >> >> solar > >> >> >> >> >> panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of > electricity > >> >> >> >> >> there > >> >> >> >> >> in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint > as > >> >> >> >> >> what > >> >> >> >> >> renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i > said.. > >> >> >> >> >> who > >> >> >> >> >> needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment > here, > >> >> >> >> >> > but > >> >> >> >> >> > just > >> >> >> >> >> > my > >> >> >> >> >> > two > >> >> >> >> >> > centavos worth: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a > >> >> >> >> >> > few > >> >> >> >> >> > minutes > >> >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> >> > googling tells me it's promising. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some > >> >> >> >> >> > resources > >> >> >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> >> >> > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will > >> >> >> >> >> > not > >> >> >> >> >> > cover > >> >> >> >> >> > everything, combined with other solutions it is > sustainable. > >> >> >> >> >> > And > >> >> >> >> >> > guess > >> >> >> >> >> > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. > >> >> >> >> >> > What's > >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> > harm > >> >> >> >> >> > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar > >> >> >> >> >> > systems > >> >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> >> > their > >> >> >> >> >> > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if > >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> > government > >> >> >> >> >> > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still > take > >> >> >> >> >> > some > >> >> >> >> >> > years > >> >> >> >> >> > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW > >> >> >> >> >> > helps. > >> >> >> >> >> > There's > >> >> >> >> >> > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give > >> >> >> >> >> > immediate > >> >> >> >> >> > results, > >> >> >> >> >> > as > >> >> >> >> >> > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good > >> >> >> >> >> > (e.g. > >> >> >> >> >> > clear > >> >> >> >> >> > forests > >> >> >> >> >> > to make a solar farm). > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term > >> >> >> >> >> > solutions. > >> >> >> >> >> > For > >> >> >> >> >> > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay > >> >> >> >> >> > out > >> >> >> >> >> > power > >> >> >> >> >> > lines to > >> >> >> >> >> > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like > solar > >> >> >> >> >> > can > >> >> >> >> >> > help. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Johann > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey < > [email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install > >> >> >> >> >> >> thorium-reactor > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a > bad > >> >> >> >> >> >> thing > >> >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down > >> >> >> >> >> >> Meralco's > >> >> >> >> >> >> monopoly > >> >> >> >> >> >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in > >> >> >> >> >> >> this > >> >> >> >> >> >> country, > >> >> >> >> >> >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be > more > >> >> >> >> >> >> expensive > >> >> >> >> >> >> here > >> >> >> >> >> >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind regards, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Niels Tomey > >> >> >> >> >> >> Manager Technical Operations Department > >> >> >> >> >> >> iXSforall > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio > >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi fooler, > >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, > >> >> >> >> >> >>> or > >> >> >> >> >> >>> better > >> >> >> >> >> >>> yet > >> >> >> >> >> >>> as > >> >> >> >> >> >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear > physics, > >> >> >> >> >> >>> can > >> >> >> >> >> >>> contribute? > >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> hi dan, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> focusing > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> on > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> is > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> not > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> on > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> clean > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> nuclear energy... > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> energy > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> (or > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> technology... > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about > timelines. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> From > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> where > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I'm > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy > source > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> in > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> future. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> But > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> commercially > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> available, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> solar > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Hi > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. > So > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> like > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Obet, I > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> will > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> stores. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to > experiment > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> if > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> i > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> give > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist > do > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> experiments > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> attack > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> with > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> cost > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> energy > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> before... > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research > of > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> a > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> cellphone > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> and > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> their > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> facebook.. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> development > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> thorium... > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> buy > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Thorium > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> After > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> bombard > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> with > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be > difficult > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> handle. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> renewable > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> energy > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anytime > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> soon. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> -- > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and > nuclear > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> technology > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> has > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> been > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> search > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> magic > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "The > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> difference > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other > sources > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> of > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuel > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> so > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vast > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> and > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it's > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> really > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> questionable > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of > money > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> on > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> development of > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> thorium." > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium > or > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> clean > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> nuclear > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a > store > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> (or > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Raon...)." > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fooler. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> have > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ended > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> up > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> on > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not > meant > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> be > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> public > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel > welcome > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fools > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing > else > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> are > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allowed > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> get > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> expertise. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> known > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> better. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I > still > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> do > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> today. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> won't > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> about, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> even > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> practices. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> If > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I > don't > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> will > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> witness > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> these > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> :-) > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> an > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> action > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> cool > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just > better, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> but > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> like > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> makes > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> happy, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> debate. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> All > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were > still > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> on > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> this > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> list. > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. (And google "NO > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> BRAINER" > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> after > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Holy > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Week.) > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings to all pluggers, > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obet Verzola > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing > List > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: > http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> >> _________________________________________________ > >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _________________________________________________ > >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> >> _________________________________________________ > >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> > > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________ > >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> _________________________________________________ > >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _________________________________________________ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >
_________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
