Commoditization is one of the keys to giving technology a large boost. I definitely subscribe to that. The more commercially successful a technology is in the real world the more likely it is to get R&D attention.
Sent on the move. On Mar 28, 2015 9:03 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go <[email protected]> wrote: > > No. The argument started when you said he was arrogant in saying that Obet > will look into Thorium when it is available in stores (Raon). Previously it > was a healthy discussion. > > There is no doubt that the yield of solar panels is low. But the more you > use it the more research will be done to improve its yield. This is true of > thorium as well. > > I think in the future the power consumption of equipment will go down > therefore, will require less energy. Just look at light. From incandescent > to fluorescent to LEDs. > > On Mar 28, 2015 8:44 PM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> you love to make story... the debate started with the original poster >> proposing how to solve energy crisis in the philippines and not about >> which is easy to buy thorium or solar panel.... >> >> he proposed to go 100% renewable energy... in 2013 our consumption is >> 61,566 Gigawatts per hour... based on 22 megawatts and consumed 66 >> hectares of our biggest solar plant... do the math how scary and >> terrible it will consume a land mass in the philippines if we go for >> solar panel 100%.. it will consumed 184,698,000 hectares or 1,846,980 >> square kilometer while philippines total land area is 300,000 square >> kilometer! include also the growing energy consumption needs year per >> year... >> >> can you see his false expertise in there? it will do more harm than >> good to our environment.... >> >> i will leave to our scientists there in the philippines to promote >> clean nuclear energy... >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 1:52 AM, Kelsey Hartigan Go >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > It is hard to read incomplete sentences. Really. >> > This debate actually started with a simple thesis. "If I wanted to go out >> > and buy solar panels from a local store and start using it, I can. Even on >> > a >> > Sunday". >> > >> > Can we say the same of Thorium? You can buy Thorium powder but does it go >> > with the reactor needed to generate electricity? >> > >> > I have no doubts Thorium has great potentials. But it is not widely >> > available yet. >> > >> > If you want to start discussion on how to develop an entire ecosystem out >> > of >> > Thorium, be my guest. There is no need to put solar energy down. Not while >> > it is the only renewable energy source that I can put on my rooftop. Or car >> > dash. >> > >> > On Mar 28, 2015 12:32 PM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Rogelio M. Serrano Jr. >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > What impact are you talking about? And corruption can't stop people >> >> > acquiring solar power production capabilities themselves. >> >> >> >> problem with you ... again and again and again and again you always >> >> love to make a wild and baseless statements without supporting facts >> >> and evidences of all your claims... lets go point by point... >> >> >> >> understand and study carefully the link below... >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_plants_in_the_Philippines >> >> >> >> solar is a low efficiency energy producer compare to other sources of >> >> energy ... look at SaCaSol I... the largest solar plant in the >> >> philippines with the cost of 4.2 billion pesos... it occupies 66 >> >> hectares of land area and ONLY produce 22 MEGAWATTS of power!.. you >> >> see the inefficiency there? >> >> >> >> the proprietary thorium reactor will cost you $2M per MW of power >> >> (http://www.thoriumpowercanada.com/).. do the math how much will cost >> >> you if the exchange rate is 45 pesos to a dollar for a 22 megawatt of >> >> power compare to 4.2 billions of pesos of SaCaSol I?...take note that >> >> this is first generation of commercial thorium reactor and you will >> >> expect that is expensive... >> >> >> >> > >> >> > We are lucky we can do that. In Poland users of solar panels need to pay >> >> > tax >> >> > for every kilowatt hour of electricity they use from their own solar >> >> > panels. >> >> >> >> here is your first wild and baseless statements... in poland... >> >> renewable energy is exempt from excise tax and not subject to real >> >> estate tax... >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/issuesandinsights/articlespublications/taxes-and-incentives-for-renewable-energy/pages/poland.aspx >> >> >> >> > Even the solar panel manufacturers have managed their waste effectively. >> >> >> >> see.. even renewable energy produce wastes.... you forgot batteries >> >> are toxics too... who will manage and dispose those batteries >> >> properly? that is another cost... >> >> >> >> > And >> >> > what's the problem with using land not used for food production? You >> >> > would >> >> > rather have people plant food crops on their roof? >> >> >> >> there is where the impact begins.. population are growing and people >> >> needs land to live and to eat... do you want your solar panel which is >> >> not efficient in producing the energy and occupy massive land mass in >> >> exchange for food? .. wish you all the best to kill more people >> >> because of hunger and our planet is not green anymore... >> >> >> >> as people are growing.. more houses are needed... it replace plants in >> >> favor of infrastructure... that is why environmentalist proposed the >> >> next generation of houses that their rooftop is capable to grow plants >> >> to compensate it.... >> >> >> >> since im not against renewable energy.. my only complain of solar is >> >> low efficiency to produce energy... here in boston.. there is a survey >> >> to community this month if we go for solar roadways... yes solar cells >> >> inside super-strong case to replace roads to illuminate road lines >> >> using LED and heating elements to resist ice and snow... as this is >> >> in trial stage... needs to consider personal safety (eg. wheel >> >> traction efficiency at high speed.. breakage treshold for super heavy >> >> vehicles... water leakage... etc. ) >> >> >> >> but take note if you use all the batteries in the world to store solar >> >> energy.. it wont last for 10 minutes to supply the current world >> >> energy consumption (see bill gates presentation on TED)... >> >> >> >> >> >> > And the solar manufacturers can use solar power to produce solar cells. >> >> > Thats interesting. >> >> >> >> you find that interesting? that is very interesting your >> >> interesting... of course you need energy source... even a diesel >> >> generator can produce solar cells and that is very interesting too... >> >> >> >> > Solar is very low maintenance for potentially decades. And solar cells >> >> > are >> >> > getting cheaper every year. >> >> >> >> sure but the cost of destroying the green planet is much more >> >> expensive because it occupy more space with less energy to offer... >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Thorium research will require government support. >> >> >> >> of course because the government governs what is good and bad for her >> >> country... >> >> >> >> > Even big business can not >> >> > provide the money by themselves. >> >> >> >> this is your second wild and baseless statement.... how you measure >> >> big business? >> >> >> >> > You think the philippine government has >> >> > that kind of will? >> >> >> >> your line of thinking makes philippines down in the drain... if you >> >> become president of the philippines... philippines is going nowhere... >> >> people in philippine government is coterminus! >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Only India has active reactors actually using thorium. >> >> >> >> this your third wild and baseless statement... >> >> >> >> > Even the u.s. never >> >> > went that far then they shut it down. >> >> >> >> because you just read articles on the internet without knowing the >> >> reason behind there and keep on debating with me with your useless >> >> debate.. it shutdown because the US government prefer the other toxic >> >> reactor which is plutonium waste to produce more nuclear bombs... >> >> >> >> > thorium needs an initiator. It does not really readily become critical >> >> > by >> >> > itself. Its supposed to absorb neutrons to become uranium.Usually the >> >> > source >> >> > is uranium itself which we dont have. Another way would be to use >> >> > neutron >> >> > from accelerators. Which we don't have. Wait its actually illlegal to be >> >> > producing weapons grade uranium in the Phil. >> >> >> >> you make me laugh.. you are now trying to project yourself as an >> >> expert in nuclear science... this is now very interesting indeed... go >> >> study thorium again if it is producing nuclear weapon and how much it >> >> needs in grams of thorium and uranium assuming we dont have those in >> >> the philippines.... this is now your fourth wild and baseless >> >> statement... >> >> >> >> > Hmmmm. Accelerators require ... >> >> > lots and lots of electricity. >> >> >> >> fifth wild and baseless statement... go study nuclear science more... >> >> >> >> > Maybe we can use solar plants to provide that >> >> > power? >> >> >> >> just use that solar plants in your house as you badly needed that... >> >> >> >> > >> >> > And thorium metal has the highest melting point of all metals and the >> >> > only >> >> > possible way to use them is fuel in molten salt reactors. >> >> >> >> your sixth wild and baseless statement.... tungsten metal in pure form >> >> is the highest melting point of all metals at 3422 degrees celcius >> >> while thorium is 1750 degrees celcius... >> >> >> >> > Thorium is >> >> > interesting but still it requires uranium based infrastructure. Which >> >> > the >> >> > Philippines will not have ever. >> >> >> >> your seventh wild and baseless statement... >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/energy/se/pp/unfc_egrc/unfc_ws_IAEA_CYTED_UNECE_Santiago_July2013/12_July/6_Reyes_Philippines_U_Resources.pdf >> >> >> >> im really tired debating with your wild and baseless statement as you >> >> dont provide educational value and benefits here in plug... >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > On Mar 27, 2015 3:22 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> i understand your side philip and i thank everybody (including you) >> >> >> who have the courage to an open debate with me and contribute to this >> >> >> debate... >> >> >> >> >> >> the problem is.. the original poster is not an open minded and >> >> >> transparent.. and worst trying to project himself as an expert on the >> >> >> subject matter... he hide the cons of solar energy and the impact to >> >> >> the environment in the long run compare to other energy sources.. >> >> >> >> >> >> one thing to note also the connivance of our corrupt officials and >> >> >> business man creating an artificial energy shortage because of the >> >> >> demand and supply principle... when the demand is high and the supply >> >> >> is low.. the price is higher... hence raking more profit... >> >> >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:01 PM, philip morales >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Thats is really not my point, :( if thorium is available now or if >> >> >> > someone >> >> >> > can start anything about it now then I will support it. Thats not a >> >> >> > problem. >> >> >> > :) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Those who think solar is a complete waste of time then nothing stop >> >> >> > them >> >> >> > from engaging with it. Also we cannot shoot down someone who wants to >> >> >> > share >> >> >> > his work about renewable energy if he believes there are people who >> >> >> > need >> >> >> > it >> >> >> > today. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Mar 27, 2015 10:41 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you said: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it >> >> >> >> cannot >> >> >> >> not be implemented today or in the near future." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> time." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thats the question because india already implemented and why >> >> >> >> philippines cant and doing nothing and waiting for something to >> >> >> >> happen? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> see the tables of the link below why solar is a completely waste of >> >> >> >> time because of low efficiency and taking a lot of space compare to >> >> >> >> other sources of energy: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_plants_in_the_Philippines >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:47 PM, philip morales >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I did not say the Philippines cant its not my point. I said we can >> >> >> >> > support >> >> >> >> > it. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Mar 27, 2015 9:33 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> other countries are using and improving thorium already... india >> >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> doing it already.. why philippines cant? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:25 PM, philip morales >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Both renewable energy and thorium have their pros and cons. >> >> >> >> >> > Renewable energy may not be as promising as thorium but it can >> >> >> >> >> > be >> >> >> >> >> > implemented and use today and can provide significant impact in >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > lives of >> >> >> >> >> > our fellow citizen. >> >> >> >> >> > Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it >> >> >> >> >> > cannot >> >> >> >> >> > not be >> >> >> >> >> > implemented today or in the near future. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Why not use the best of both technologies? We can support Obet >> >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> > his >> >> >> >> >> > advocacy not by using it but by just sharing his works to >> >> >> >> >> > others. >> >> >> >> >> > We >> >> >> >> >> > can >> >> >> >> >> > reach those people who actually need it. >> >> >> >> >> > If in the future a project about thorium came up we can support >> >> >> >> >> > it >> >> >> >> >> > as >> >> >> >> >> > well. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > If we can utilize renewable energy for the next 10+++ years its >> >> >> >> >> > a >> >> >> >> >> > good >> >> >> >> >> > investment. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Doing something that can give significant results like Obet's >> >> >> >> >> > advocacy >> >> >> >> >> > is >> >> >> >> >> > not a waste of time. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a >> >> >> >> >> > waste >> >> >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> >> > time. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Phil >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On Mar 27, 2015 7:28 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i respect that as we have different views johann... only time >> >> >> >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> >> >> tell someday... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements >> >> >> >> >> >> > below >> >> >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> >> > leave >> >> >> >> >> >> > it at. Good evening. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail >> >> >> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> hi johann... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> problem >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> our >> >> >> >> >> >> >> energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop >> >> >> >> >> >> >> solar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> electricity >> >> >> >> >> >> >> there >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint >> >> >> >> >> >> >> as >> >> >> >> >> >> >> what >> >> >> >> >> >> >> renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i >> >> >> >> >> >> >> said.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> who >> >> >> >> >> >> >> needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > here, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > but >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > just >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > my >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > two >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > centavos worth: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > few >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > minutes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > googling tells me it's promising. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > resources >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > not >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > cover >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > everything, combined with other solutions it is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > sustainable. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > guess >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > What's >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > harm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > systems >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > their >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > if >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > government >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > take >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > some >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > years >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > helps. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > There's >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > immediate >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > results, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > as >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (e.g. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > clear >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > forests >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to make a solar farm). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > solutions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > For >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > out >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > power >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > lines to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > solar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > can >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > help. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Johann >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thorium-reactor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> bad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Meralco's >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> monopoly >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> country, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> more >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> expensive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Niels Tomey >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Manager Technical Operations Department >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> iXSforall >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi fooler, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> community, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> or >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> better >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> yet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> as >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> physics, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> can >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> contribute? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> hi dan, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> focusing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> it >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> not >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> accelerate >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> clean >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> nuclear energy... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> energy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> (or >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> technology... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> timelines. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> From >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> where >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I'm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> source >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> future. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> But >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> commercially >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> available, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> solar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Hi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> So >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> like >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Obet, I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> will >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> stores. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> experiment >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> if >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> i >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> give >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> you >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> do >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> experiments >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> attack >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> with >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> cost >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> energy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> before... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> it >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> cellphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> their >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> facebook.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> development >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> thorium... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> you >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> buy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Thorium >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> After >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> you >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> bombard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> with >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> difficult >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> handle. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> renewable >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> energy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anytime >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> soon. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> nuclear >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> technology >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> has >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> been >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> search >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> for >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> magic >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "The >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> difference >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> sources >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> so >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vast >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it's >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> really >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> questionable >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> money >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> development of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> thorium." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> or >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> clean >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> nuclear >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> statement: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> store >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> (or >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Raon...)." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> have >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ended >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> up >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> meant >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> for >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> public >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Obet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> welcome >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fools >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> else >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> are >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allowed >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> get >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> expertise. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> have >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> known >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> better. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> still >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> do >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> today. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> won't >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> about, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> even >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> practices. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> If >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Obet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> don't >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> will >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> witness >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> these >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> initiates >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> an >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> action >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> cool >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> better, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> but >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> like >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> makes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> happy, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> debate. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> All >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> still >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> list. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. (And google "NO >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> BRAINER" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> after >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Holy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Week.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings to all pluggers, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obet Verzola >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _________________________________________________ >> >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _________________________________________________ >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________ >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> _________________________________________________ >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
