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Cross-posted to the PLUG and PLUG-misc lists. Replies will please continue
in the PLUG-misc mailing list.
NOTE: my thoughts on issues on the mailing list purposes and PLUG
membership and online voting are found here in that order, so please give
this some time. :)
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 at 14:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I propose that we have another mailing list for this stuff, like
> plug-org or something. Sorry I didn't speak up to object yesterday
> about using plug-misc for the org discussions because I honestly did
> not know what the contents of plug-misc was until last night
Short version: I think we should NOT make another mailing list and should
instead talk about this in PLUG-misc.
Long version:
I decided not to blabber on about this anymore yesterday, because as it is
I did too much talking with that impromptu emcee'ing to begin with, then
with other things. Besides, we were running out of time and so much of the
crowd during the PLUG meeting didn't have anything to do with PLUG (yet).
I recommend the following setup for the mailing lists, and if this can be
validated by other PLUGgers, then maybe we can write up "official
documentation" in the lists.q-linux.org page since most, if not all,
subscriptions go through that, anyway.
o ph-linux-newbie - the PH Linux Newbie mailing list, a place for newbies
to hangout and ask Linux-related questions, or at the most,
hardware-related questions to getting Linux to work. No fucked up
Windows questions, and no BSD or Solaris questions that should go to
the BSD or Solaris mailing lists, or at the worst, in PLUG as an OT.
o plug - the main _technical_ Philippine Linux Users' Group hangout. This
is where not-so-newbies, not-so-oldbies, and established oldies will
hopefully hangout to keep them sharp. It's a place to talk about
technical isses that relate to Linux, or Linux together with something
else (so Orly's Linux + Solaris and LDAP shouldn't be an OT in PLUG).
This is also where people can ask decently off-topic technical issues,
like maybe a little about BSD or something. But hopefully we can keep
these down. Bottomline: TECHNICAL.
o plug-misc - the auxiliary Philippine Linux Users' Group hangout, for
all non-technical discussions that the community wishes to discuss.
While our Sacha and chocolate threads are a little too much for
PLUG-misc and I apologize for starting these, we can diverge a little
here if we have to (and most of the time we have to, or we won't have
lives to talk about). This is also where we handle plenary talks on
things like when and where PLUG should meet, or on who handles which
advocacy teams, or what schools we'll be hauling to the dark side.
Bottomline: non-technical discussions that the community needs to
handle online.
o #PLUG @ upcm.net - an online hangout, the true anything goes in real
time. No rules other than the basics.
Rationale:
We already have too many mailing lists, I think, and the more we
diversify, the more people will stick to the "main" PLUG list and ask
everything there. As it is I don't think enough people are in PLUG-misc
because it started as a "Sacha mailing list". That wasn't a bad start but
like Ian said, we have to move on. And in moving on I think we should make
PLUG our community mailing list. Let's keep the discussions in the main
PLUG list at the technical level. (I don't think gender statistic
questions are supposed to go away. They are significant to the community
and can healthily go on in PLUG-misc).
Comments?
> btw, I have a suggestion if we do online voting for issues
We have yet to see Chris's reports on how many of the online
pre-registrants actually went, but I have a feeling a significant chunk of
pre-registrants were bogus. We cannot possibly tolerate such bogus entries
in an online voting setup. How do we get around this? I have some initial
thoughts.
First let's focus on getting ourselves SEC registered. It's been too long.
Then let's meet to elect a new set of officers. Those who cannot be
present should be able to send their votes in in advanced, perhaps PGP
signed (so get GnuPG everyone, hehehe).
With the new set of officers perhaps we can discuss issues like
membership. I do not know whether we should get a nominal membership fee
to keep the organization alive, but I think we need to have a database of
official members, with or without payments.
Why?
o So that we know who to call to meetings.
o So that we know who can vote.
o So that we know who to give @linux.org.ph addresses when we can handle
it.
Note that I don't mean to limit mailing list membership to members. But we
should limit voting to members. The org is the org. The mailing list is
the mailing list. PLUG the org != the collection of mailing lists. Until
we make this clear we'll forever be a bunch of geeks geeking it out in the
mailing lists. I doubt we'll get much done as a coherent body. (Although
Linux10 was great, much more has to be done so that the next conferences
will be handled with more unity so that less people like Chris will have
to go 48 hours without sleep).
Comments?
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