Quoting Ian C. Sison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Ah but with raid systems, you don't need to get the best quality hardware
> right?  What's that what RAID means again..

If I needed a huge array of redundant storage, I'd build a RAID array.
If it was for a non-critical applicaton, I might do it with 3Ware
Escalade.  I said that, very clearly, yesterday.

> In a perfect world where the budget is 'bottomless' then you'ld have
> RAED, the 'E' standing for 'Expensive SCSI'. But the reality nowadays,
> is that there is no need for expensive disks in such an array.  I
> would even criticize such a setup as overkill.

I would fire anyone who put, say, the company database server on a an
ATA RAID array, at this point.  I might change my mind in a few years.

> Gee if IDE was so hard to setup then it wouldn't be used as a standard in
> end user machines. 

If I had a dollar for every Linux novice who came to me with problems on
account of drive-type tables, jumpering, or subtle ATA compatibilities,
I'd be a rich guy.  If your experience differs, good for you.

> And i can cite the same class of problems on an equivalent scsi system
> when the jumpers that select the SCSI IDs, and termination points all
> get mixed up.

Funny, but that doesn't seem to happen in practice.  Even termination,
the bugbear of people trying to convince themselves that SCSI is "too
complex", has a very simple rule:  Enable it on either end.

> Of course they are not.  Maybe in desktop systems they are (just how much
> software can you cram into a 160GB HD), but for database deployments or
> even a simple setup such a squid cache or news feed, size does matter, and
> the more the merrier.

Ah, that's a different question.  But you weren't paying attention:
Again, I said yesterday that 3Ware ATA RAID makes sense for some large
arrays.

> No i am not assuming you care.  But i care about the others reading the
> list (and actually asked about the merits of adopting an IDE system (the
> subject of this thread) versus a SCSI one.

Well, I honestly don't:  I gave up on trying to give people free advice
about hardware years ago, when I realised that most people value it at
cost, and attempting to give it just to assist the community isn't worth
the idiots and trolls who come out of the woodwork to argue with you -- 
almost all of them trying to justify the crummy stuff.

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