--- likot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --- Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Huh?  What am I missing, here?   To the best of my
> > 
> my fault i misunderstood what you said, reraad your
> post.
> 
> > Point of information for you:  Saying "mbox
> format"
> > _doesn't_ imply
> > /var/spool/mail.  The MDA might be configured to
> use
> > ~/Mail/mbox, or any 
> > of a variety of alternatives.  
> 
> yes i know, did my post said anything like that?
> 
> The assumption to the
> > contrary is a
> > Bernsteinism.  
> 
> did you assumed that i was thinking like that?
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > > (IMHO maildir is the way to go )
> > 
> > Gratuitous advocacy noted without further comment.
> 
> > I figure admins will 
> > make their own decisions based on their own needs.
> 
> ofcourse everyone is entitled to use what ever
> he/she
> wants as long as it fits his/her needs.
> 
> 
> > In rhetoric, we call this fallacy "begging the
> > question".  This means
> > basing your conclusion on a doubtful premise that
> is
> > carefully unexamined.
> 
> in context, i was refering to security design 
> having 14 exploits in 1996-1997 and 2(?!?) not so
> recent ones says something about the security design
> in sendmail. 
> Exploits that can take over the machine running
> sendmail  - have you heard of such exploits  with
> postfix and qmail? 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Please note:  "Correct design" is _not_ defined as
> > "Our Hero said this
> > is the only acceptable way."
> 
> Gratuitous criticism noted without further comment. 
> 
> 
> > Painfully and very manually, I wouldn't doubt:  I
> > must say that writing
> > one's own substitute for stdio.h is a bitigure 
> > pathological.  
> 
> Gratuitous criticism noted without further comment. 
> 
> Ofcourse you already know the reason right?
> 
>  
> 
> > 
> >
> > Huh?  Please explain.  You referred me to
> > qmail-queue.  Here's the
> > manpage: 
> 
> oh i was referring to qmail-queue fix (queue-fix)
> and
> qmail-queue repair ( queue-repair ) at www.qmail.org
> 
> > If you're talking about some wacko program that
> can
> > _export_ qmail's
> > inode-encoded spool contents so that a backup or
> > copying program can get
> > at them, then that's half a loaf, 
> 
> nopes
> 
>  I
> > finally escaped
> > having to administer the damned thing
> professionally
> > in late 1999.
> > Hated it.  
> 
> oh then thats your problem i'd been administering
> your
> so called damned thing professionally since l997 
> and i loved it. ( that doesn't mean anything really
> no
> one is wrong here, you are entitled to use what ever
> you want )
> 
> > > let us just clear this thing up, most people
> think
> > that you _can't_
> > > modify qmail's source which is wrong.  [...]
> > 
> > But I _don't_ think that.  Nor did I say so.
> 
> but this was not for you, ( and that's a good thing
> cause i know you know more ) this is to inform those
> people who will read your post, for your information
> there was a post in this list saying  you can't
> modify
> qmail.
> 
> > 
> > And what I said before _is_ precisely (and
> > concisely) the issue.  What
> > you're bringing up is a tiresome, time-wasting red
> > herring.
> 
> and yes it's tiresome, time-wasting redherring
> 
> > He forbids distributing modified qmail under _any_
> > name without special
> > permission.  
> 
> thanks for correcting me on that. 
> 
>  
> > 
> > And, absent some new permissions grant by Dan
> > Bernstein or a successor
> > copyright holder (e.g., an heir), it's _exactly_
> the
> > dilemma that the
> > entire qmail and djbdns user communities will find
> > themselves in, some
> > day.  Avoiding such situations, and favouring the
> > right to fork as a
> > general remedy, is the main (pragmatic) advantage
> of
> > open source.
> 
> i agree on this, no explanation needed, but im being
> positive and hopefully things will change in the
> future.
> 
> Dek
> likot at yahoo dot com
> 
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