> The same accusation has been hurled at mandrake packagers, but really the
> job of distro makers is to _INTEGRATE_ various open source technologies so
> that you have a more cohesive system (LDAP), and possibily more secure
> (KERBEROS).  Any move to integrate different software together directly
> conflicts with minimalist preferences for atomic packages.  But
> technology must advance, features must keep up with computing
> requirements, and like it or not software must be integrated to use common
> libraries in order to save on code size and maintenance efforts.

A smile comes across my lips as I realize that you basically just
reiterated Microsoft's design philosophy and justifications here.
Not necessarily bad, but I remember that one of the cases for Linux was
that it did things in a more modular and presumably superior way.

Linux distros adopting the same design philosophy as Windows.
Winona Ryder, a shoplifter. Reality bites. ;-)

> This issue goes to the very heart of those advocating integration vs.
> minimalism in software.  Not a long time ago there were those that cried
> agony when the size of a 'Hello world' binary increased by more than 100%
> when using the GTK or Qt toolkits as opposed to coding one directly using
> the X api.  True, there definitely is code bloat when using these
> toolkits, but tell me just how usable a 'Hello world' program is?

Even in the Windows world, it still seems to matter to the designers of
Delphi, Java and .NET whose 'Hello world' executables are all in the under
100K range. Helloworld for C# and Java are barely 10K in size iirc... of
course a lot of this has to do with today's very dynamic run-time
architectures. That 5K hello world requires the presence of a 30MB runtime.
Also, MSIL and JVM bytecodes are somewhat higher level than native x86.


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