Quoting Jimmy Lim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I don't think so
<sigh> > the BSD community accept the existence of MacOS X Of course. > and it's based on Darwin (the core of MacOS X) It would be more correct to say that Darwin was abstracted out of NeXTStep, an early BSD port, and comprised the portions of NeXTStep that Apple computer wished to open-source. > which is based on FreeBSD-3.5 Distribution Sorry. This is unhistorical. Jimmy, I've run many versions of FreeBSD, going back to its early history, and I've run several versions of NeXTStep, through 4.0 -- and 386BSD, before that. I'm a long-time participant with the Bay Area FreeBSD User Group and the Silicon Valley BSD User Group. And it's absolutely _indisputable_ both from in-person examination (e.g., the three machines running OS X in my household) and the historical record that Apple Macintosh OS X _is_ the NeXTStep codebase, renamed and incrementally improved, in exactly the fashion I indicated earlier. > ...and being maintained by Jordan Hubbard (one of the official > of FreeBSD core team before he move to Apple). I've known Jordan for a very long time, Jimmy. He's a personal friend of mine. Yes, Jordan was one of the first FreeBSD people hired away by Apple from Wind River, as Wind River's custody of FreeBSD was beginning to go sour. And yes, one of Jordan and the other ex-Wind River people's main tasks was to update the rather archaic and strange NeXTStep codebase, including both the xnu kernel and the userspace code. The latter is now much closer to FreeBSD. The former remains a BSD "personality" layer heavily interconnected to the core Mach microkernel, except recently some badly outdated code has been updated using code snippets from the FreeBSD kernel, notably the NFS support. > http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=278 If you bother to read this interview with Jordan, you'll see that it contradicts your claim. I'm annoyed that Jordan is choosing to follow Apple Computer's current practice of omitting all mention of NeXT, Inc. and NeXTStep, but you'll see that he mentions his team's aim of gradually _converging_ parts of the kernelspace and userspace with FreeBSD's. > http://www.daemonnews.org/200010/darwin.html I remember being annoyed by this article, when I first saw it in Daemon News, because Braun gets so many historical facts wrong. But that's to be expected, because Braun is a Johnnie-come-lately to the BSD community. Whereas, Jimmie, I've been part of nearly its entire history. -- Cheers, I once successfully declined a departmental retreat, Rick Moen saying that on that day I planned instead to advance. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alan J. Rosenthal, in the Monastery _ Philippine Linux Users Group. Web site and archives at http://plug.linux.org.ph To leave: send "unsubscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Searchable Archives With Friendly Web Interface at http://marc.free.net.ph To subscribe to the Linux Newbies' List: send "subscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
