On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:35:43 +0800, Roger Filomeno
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> I agree. microsoft has "seen the light". he is out-numbered and
> out-witted by the opensource community.

I would hardly call them out-witted!
do you know how many visual basic developers there are? they totally
outnumber the open-source crowd.

and the open-source crowd isn't particularly innovative. where is the
visual studio .NET of open source? heck.. where is the .NET Framework
(or equivalent -- J2EE is not OSS either) of open-source?

> Basically m$ wants also a part of the brain pool, they are loosing
> ideas on what to stick into windoze ;p

A common complaint against both KDE and GNOME is that they have
nothing new interface-wise. they just ape features in the
closed-source GUI's like windows XP and macos X.

> Anyway its a good idea, as long as proprietary OS such as windows
> exist.. specialist like us in both fields (opensource and windows)
> will have lots of work, building interopearatibility solutions ;p

well i'm counting on Mono to come through. interoperability, guaranteed.  :)
it's like the promise of Java, with a nicer language and nicer toolset.

although i must add -- .NET Framework free as in beer, with free
command-line compilers; and Visual Studio Express free as in beer -- i
don't think these would ever happen if M$ didn't feel threatened by
Linux/OSS.

but STILL -- deriding M$ as "running out of ideas" etc. is wrong. they
have more ideas in there than the OSS community, which, with the
exception of people like Linus and Miguel (and similar) are a bunch of
college students with too much time on their hands.

side-note. PBA Finals Game 4. a measly 500mhz pentium-III. 700
simultaneous video streaming connections, windows media server. i was
surprised myself! didn't know windows was up to that. moral of the
story: M$ has decent, even excellent solutions. the OSS crowd
shouldn't be congratulating itself for innovation, because there's not
much innovation in OSS. the OSS crowd *should* congratulate itself for
forcing M$ to be honest and to continually strive to make their
products better.
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