Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:35:43 +0800, Roger Filomeno > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I agree. microsoft has "seen the light". he is out-numbered and >> out-witted by the opensource community. > > I would hardly call them out-witted! > do you know how many visual basic developers there are? they totally > outnumber the open-source crowd. >
True. Just here in Daet I encountered someone trying to do an accounts database with VB... > and the open-source crowd isn't particularly innovative. where is the > visual studio .NET of open source? heck.. where is the .NET Framework > (or equivalent -- J2EE is not OSS either) of open-source? > Mono?!? Hell, today's OSS focuses not on innovation, but competition. You can see it for yourself at the just-concluded PhilOSC. OSS _is_ competing with the closed and shackled, and that's fact. >> Basically m$ wants also a part of the brain pool, they are loosing >> ideas on what to stick into windoze ;p > > A common complaint against both KDE and GNOME is that they have > nothing new interface-wise. they just ape features in the > closed-source GUI's like windows XP and macos X. > That's why I'm sticking to Ion ;) But really, the Window model is very effective, so why change the landscape? I know a lot of other desktop management systems in development, such as a 3D environment where files, running programs and resources are represented as objects (ala The Matrix), and they have yet to find their place in the sun. Do you really see anyone tearing their hairs from their scalps just because KDE or GNOME just looks *too much* like Windows? Anyone can complain. It's up to you if you want to listen :P >> Anyway its a good idea, as long as proprietary OS such as windows >> exist.. specialist like us in both fields (opensource and windows) >> will have lots of work, building interopearatibility solutions ;p > > well i'm counting on Mono to come through. interoperability, guaranteed. :) > it's like the promise of Java, with a nicer language and nicer toolset. > > although i must add -- .NET Framework free as in beer, with free > command-line compilers; and Visual Studio Express free as in beer -- i > don't think these would ever happen if M$ didn't feel threatened by > Linux/OSS. > It's like evolution. The Microsoft Stegosaurus has finally gotten a brain bigger than the size of a walnut, hurray for them! Just goes to show that nothing's impossible, but only perilously difficult... > but STILL -- deriding M$ as "running out of ideas" etc. is wrong. they > have more ideas in there than the OSS community, which, with the > exception of people like Linus and Miguel (and similar) are a bunch of > college students with too much time on their hands. > If they did run out of ideas, then they'll just buy one. They can afford it. And where else can they get those billion-dollar ideas? In the free and open source world, of course! Sure, one an license a killer app to GPL, but a little grease here and a little litigation there, instant shackles! We don't see this in the kernel proper (SCO's just havin' a party ;), but just take a good look at the lot of FOSS projects out there and you can pinpoint those developers willing to sell their soul for a [EMAIL PROTECTED] > side-note. PBA Finals Game 4. a measly 500mhz pentium-III. 700 > simultaneous video streaming connections, windows media server. i was > surprised myself! didn't know windows was up to that. moral of the > story: M$ has decent, even excellent solutions. the OSS crowd > shouldn't be congratulating itself for innovation, because there's not > much innovation in OSS. the OSS crowd *should* congratulate itself for > forcing M$ to be honest and to continually strive to make their > products better. True. I've seen Windows 3.1 outperform Crays running Digital Unix too. And to top it off, that's not an operating system. Yep, M$ has indeed become more aggressive, and in the capitalist sense it would be a good sign. But beyond economics and politics, there's little evidence to suggest otherwise that the dog is showing it's ugly face... It's up to us whether to stare at it face to face, inhaling the foul aroma of its insides, or to kill the damn thing and move on. But let me clarify: I'm not bashing FOSS or M$. I like both: FOSS for work, M$ for play. But I know that's gonna change someday, and until then, let's stop hoping for it: *let's work towards it*! Cheers, Zakame -- |=-------------ZAK B. ELEP (Registered Linux User #327585)-------------=| || Web: http://zakame.spunge.org GPG ID: 0xFA53851D || || http://zakame.homelinux.org ICQ UIN: 33236644 || || Location: Daet, Camarines Norte Running Linux 2.6 || |=----------1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D----------=| Debian - When you've got better things to do than to fix a borken system
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