Ramil Sagum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Roger Filomeno wrote: >> I agree. microsoft has "seen the light". he is out-numbered and >> out-witted by the opensource community. Basically m$ wants also a part of >> the brain pool, they are loosing >> ideas on what to stick into windoze ;p >> > > Wag tayong magsalita ng tapos. We think OSS is such a good thing kasi we're > using it and most of our friends are OSS users in much the same way as > Microsofties think their software is good because they use it, they > participate in development and most of the people they know are Microsofties. >
True. Open source is all about open discussions, not conclusions and
decisions. Becoming cynical in the midst of free minds is tantamount to
execution by a bunch of VBScript bugs... =D
> >Here are more points we missed to discuss during the open forum:
> >1. open source can jump start your technology - Having the source
> <means being able to duplicate and enchance the technology.
>
> It's good developers and enthusiasts. But not good for companies. Walang
> guaranteed support. Wala silang isusue kung di gumana yung product. Walang
> warranty etc. Companies need to depend on the whim of volunteer developers
> halfway around the world.
>
Thus, it seems FOSS needs some entity capable of massaging the worries of the
corporate bureaucrats while at the same time imbuing them with the gospel. And
indeed, we are seeing such developments (like HP providing support for Debian
users with HP Extensions, and of course, certification programs ala MSCD/E/F,
such as RHCE, SLCE, Linux+, SAIR...) It should also be the goal of these
entities to show that litigation is nothing more than money wasted on
waste. Destructive principles should be avoided in favor of more constructive
decision-making.
>
> >2. Opensource has the most fanatical support which M$ would be hard to
> >duplicate! i can assure that coz i read mails till 3am. ;p For M$ to
> >have the same support, well they would need to open up their source
> >code.. which i bet they wouldnt ;p
>
> Ah! But there are microsoft fanatics! As I said, puro OSS fanatics lang kasi
> kilala natin.
>
Yes. I believe one of those M$ fans is here spying in this ml. But he's free
to spy, anyway, except when he goes over the edge and takes a casual
upskirt...
But then again, while M$ may not enjoy the support of many FOSS hackers across
the globe, they *do* have a *lot* of money. Or a lot of loans, for those with
a different perspective. Surely, if one day we all wake up only to learn that
M$ goes bankrupt because Windows didn't deliver, then those very same hackers
would be $1M richer, approximately...
>
> >3. Opensource has no Service Pack waiting.. coz you know the
> >technology, you can fix it ASAP yourself and for good karma you can
> >share that to the rest of the community.
>
> *IF* you can fix it. Normal users (the majority) have to wait for the whim of
> volunteers.
>
It's as if you're taking the scenic (and bullshit) route to technology
management:
if (!$developer) { bug_report($software, $complaint);}
else { bug_fix($software) && send_patch($software, $complaint, $patch); }
OR, putting it positively:
bug_report($software, $complaint) unless $developer;
bug_fix($software) && send_patch($software, $complaint, $patch) && \
party($beer);
Feel free to define the subroutines for the above functions. :)
The idea behind this it summed up above. For those unacquainted though, it
really is simple: the fact that a particular software is FOSS *implies* that a
user can simply learn how the software works and figure out which part does
which work. Thus, with sufficient willpower and a lot of luck, a grandpappy
can kick Bill's ass in no time. Take particular attention to the ordering of
the code: that's the idea.
Note that I'm using the word *implies* instead of *forces*. FOSS is courteous
enough to allow both baby handholding and backbreaking hacking to work side by
side. FOSS does not model on a "user-should-do-this" approach (though it could
do this rather easily); rather, it makes allowances so the regular Joe could
get help just as easily as Morpheus. In other closed, proprietary
environments, this is a rarity, with the big ones often embroiling innocent
entrepreneurs to horrendous NDAs, Trojan gun-running, and protection
money. It's high-tech mafia taken to a whole new level.
But at least, we're seeing improvements, especially with the M$ presence.
Thus, FOSS needs a considerably easier learning curve to compete with today's
proprietary offerings. We are also seeing such developments (locally, thru
q-linux ;) and we should keep an eye on them. Turning a bunch of noobs into
fearless hackers is not a dream: it is reality, though but a hard reality, but
a reality nontheless. And all your problems regarding Service Packs and update
bullshit would be gone in the wind as this reality looms near... all you need
is to be APT ;P...
>
> I could go on and on. Pero basically, yun, maganda lang yung tingin natin kasi
> developers tayo. Sa normal user's point of view, Microsoft is a lot
> better. (to _The Sword of Truth_ readers, it would be the wizard's
> first rule.)
>
> I bet theres an analogous Microsoftie mailing list out there bashing OSS.
>
Hell yeah, that's a sure fact! =)
Cheers,
Zakame
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