I meant to say 'where the cost wasn't that huge'
Jeff Fleitz wrote:
I'm with you.
I could use one for the company I am working for right now. And I work
with the Navy and they would really like some of that too that wasn't
huge. As I say, I think people will start bring some of this stuff to
market within this calendar year. Plum gives you such a good head start...
Jeff
Dirk Marshall wrote:
I totally agree Jeff, Adam and David have put a lot into this already.
My main reason for putting it up here is not necessarily to be added
directly to Plum(that isn't really the place other than the file
upload utility) but to get the idea out there so people are thinking
about it. If someone were to put a Document Management module with a
Project Management module and others for Licensing/Permitting, and a
mapping interface to ESRI products(the list of possibilities could go
on for a while) along with what Adam and David are already providing
and you would have a small government solution in a box. This is a
market that is largely untapped as most developers target the private
business market or large government with products that usually cost
too much for small governments to afford or don't provide needed
functionality. There are thousands of small cities and counties that
can't afford big software and maintain information in spreadsheet or
text format that should be in a searchable database form. There is my
soapbox for the day. :) I have lots of thoughts on these ideas but I
just don't have the time to develop them.
Thanks
Dirk
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:15:41 -0500, Jeff Fleitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Hi Dirk,
You are right. I should have read more closely. A document
management system is a separate app (and a big one). I was
referring to a utility to upload files and/or images. A document
management tool is a much bigger deal.
I expect that as the product matures and more developers come into
the fold that you will see many Plum based products
emerge that are authored and contributed or sold by other people
besides Adam and David. They aren't going to be able
to cover every base.
Jeff
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Dirk Marshall wrote:
There are a lot of great ideas here, most impressive. I would have to
agree that even though we all like free tools you do have to pay the
bills so some of the ideas on how to do that are very good.
I am not sure that I would agree that a document management tool would
be just a utility. I am not talking about just a file upload tool,
you are correct that is just a utility. What I actually meant was a
module that allows upload of files into an organizational structure,
controls access, allow indexing using custom fields, maintains a
history of a file(who has viewed it, made changes to it, storing
historical versions, etc.) use a file to start a workflow or review
process,(Project Management Module?) Allow a user to create on the fly
custom file groups of related documents, file retension date
options(how long to store the file), among other misc features. A
good document management system will run well over 5 digits and that
doesn't include the hardware or recurring maintenance. I do work for
a small City government and they pay thousands yearly in maintenance
on a document management package. On the government side this is very
important software as it allows for public access to public documents
with minimal staff time after the input of the documents. This type
of a application is very valuable towards saving taxpayer dollars. :)
Thanks
Dirk
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:58:06 -0500, Jeff Fleitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey Adam,
I agree with Dan that the process should be a single page with
checkboxes or something instead of a separate page for
each option. Actually, I would like to see an 'expert mode'
implementd in 1.1 that would eliminate the wizard and just
install the framework to a directory. After you have done this once
or twice and know how things work, the wizard just
gets in the way. I would rather just set the datasource and
mappings ahead of time and generate the code.
I also think you need to make some money to keep the high quality
apps going. Some ideas, like PlumForums and
PlumCatalog/PlumCart could be packaged and sold as standalone apps
by themselves, with an installer,etc., without the
Plum IDE/Generator being part of the deal. For just those folks who
want a forums package, but don't want to develop
with Plum. I think you should charge for that. ($20 or $30 or
something).
Then you could sell versions of Plum that had these apps built in
so that you could include/develop them with the
projects and have a license to deploy, etc. So you could buy, as an
example the Plum generator with Forums for $99
instead of $79, or Plum with PlumCatalog/PlumCart for $99, or Plum
'Enterprise' that includes all of them for $129 or
something like that. I know it is chump change, but it will help a
little.
I think something like the File manager/image uploader Dirk is
talking about or a simple mail client, are really more
examples of a utility and won't have much functionality outside of
a Plum app. It supports an app, but really isn't an
app, unlike PlumForums. You aren't going to want to install the
whole Plum Framework to implement a file upload
manager. These types of things you should include as part of the
Plum Generator (by the way, can you call it the Plum
CodeGen or Pluminator or something else a little more catchy ;)?
Plum Generator just sounds 'heavy' and non-techie.
'Hey Martha, I'm on Google right now, and did you know somebody
invented a machine that generates plums?'
Lastly, and this is a shameless request, because I do more
intranet/extranet sites than the public-facing stuff, but I
think the killer app in this is an integrated report writer,
especially with CFMX 7 out, and the ability to generate
pdf/flashpaper/excel output. I hope you guys decide to go forward
on that (otherwise I will have too ;). What would be
even cooler is to make it ad hoc by using XSLT and the .plum
project file (you have all the table, columns, relation
stuff in there, right?) There is only one product on the market
for this (HotQuery) and it is really expensive and
outdated.
Whew. My 2 cents.
Jeff
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Jeff Fleitz
Tekquest, Ltd
Integrated Digital Solutions
http://www.tekquest.com
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Adam Churvis wrote:
So I'm sitting here thinking about V1.1, and I'm wondering about
adding
optional functionality to Plum right out of the box, so I wanted
everyone's
opinion on this idea:
1) When creating a new Plum project, one of the New Plum Project
Wizard
panels asks if you want to install PlumForums (just a pair of
Yes/No radio
buttons).
2) A second panel asks if you want to install PlumCatalog and
PlumCart.
3) Additional panels ask if you want to install additional modules.
First question: does this sound like a good idea?
Second question: what should one or more of those "additional
modules" be?
I'm seriously thinking about including PlumForums,
PlumCatalog/PlumCart, and
these additional modules for free along with Plum, so that Plum could
literally have just about everything you'd need (except custom
business
processes and graphics, of course) two minutes after launching the
Plum IDE.
What do you all think?
Also, I'm going to take Sean Corfield's advice and rename Plum IDE
"Plum
Generator" in V1.1.
Thanks in advance for your feedback. :)
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
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