My turn, I like the free stuff. Yes I am cheap and most other people are too when it comes to development tools. If you start making mandatory payments for products it will not take off. If you do intend to make some cash on the development of the app wait till you get a large enough user base and make "Pro Plum" for a fee and keep your base with a free version. If the people can create cool stuff will "Free Plum" then they will be more inclined to purchase the Pro version later.
Here's my wrap up on somethings brought up. File Management System - Good stuff especially for intra/extranet Plumers Installations Additions - Keep it simple, a single page with check boxes and the ability to add these features later if desired. Forums - I like this option, it would be hard to pay for a feature most hosts throw in free now. Some more thoughts - Not sure if the following would be helpful to alot but these things I would like for external websites, naw my personal site. Blog - Well it's the hot topic and who doesn't want to tell the world your ingenious thoughts. Gallery - Well many of us have overpriced cameras and zillions of pics so lets show them off, maybe intergrate with the file management tool. Chat - I don't know I hate chat but what the heck. Bug Track - I know you're on it. And I continue... As you know I use Oracle, I am jeleous of the the MS SQL support is there any way to throw us Oracle guys a bone. More to come.... If nothing else I fill your ear next week Adam. On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:30:38 -0500, Jeff Fleitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I meant to say 'where the cost wasn't that huge' > > > Jeff Fleitz wrote: > > I'm with you. > > > > I could use one for the company I am working for right now. And I work > > with the Navy and they would really like some of that too that wasn't > > huge. As I say, I think people will start bring some of this stuff to > > market within this calendar year. Plum gives you such a good head start... > > > > Jeff > > > > Dirk Marshall wrote: > > > >> I totally agree Jeff, Adam and David have put a lot into this already. > >> My main reason for putting it up here is not necessarily to be added > >> directly to Plum(that isn't really the place other than the file > >> upload utility) but to get the idea out there so people are thinking > >> about it. If someone were to put a Document Management module with a > >> Project Management module and others for Licensing/Permitting, and a > >> mapping interface to ESRI products(the list of possibilities could go > >> on for a while) along with what Adam and David are already providing > >> and you would have a small government solution in a box. This is a > >> market that is largely untapped as most developers target the private > >> business market or large government with products that usually cost > >> too much for small governments to afford or don't provide needed > >> functionality. There are thousands of small cities and counties that > >> can't afford big software and maintain information in spreadsheet or > >> text format that should be in a searchable database form. There is my > >> soapbox for the day. :) I have lots of thoughts on these ideas but I > >> just don't have the time to develop them. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Dirk > >> > >> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:15:41 -0500, Jeff Fleitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Dirk, > >>> > >>> You are right. I should have read more closely. A document > >>> management system is a separate app (and a big one). I was > >>> referring to a utility to upload files and/or images. A document > >>> management tool is a much bigger deal. > >>> > >>> I expect that as the product matures and more developers come into > >>> the fold that you will see many Plum based products > >>> emerge that are authored and contributed or sold by other people > >>> besides Adam and David. They aren't going to be able > >>> to cover every base. > >>> > >>> Jeff > >>> > >>> _______________________________ > >>> > >>> > >>> Dirk Marshall wrote: > >>> > >>>> There are a lot of great ideas here, most impressive. I would have to > >>>> agree that even though we all like free tools you do have to pay the > >>>> bills so some of the ideas on how to do that are very good. > >>>> > >>>> I am not sure that I would agree that a document management tool would > >>>> be just a utility. I am not talking about just a file upload tool, > >>>> you are correct that is just a utility. What I actually meant was a > >>>> module that allows upload of files into an organizational structure, > >>>> controls access, allow indexing using custom fields, maintains a > >>>> history of a file(who has viewed it, made changes to it, storing > >>>> historical versions, etc.) use a file to start a workflow or review > >>>> process,(Project Management Module?) Allow a user to create on the fly > >>>> custom file groups of related documents, file retension date > >>>> options(how long to store the file), among other misc features. A > >>>> good document management system will run well over 5 digits and that > >>>> doesn't include the hardware or recurring maintenance. I do work for > >>>> a small City government and they pay thousands yearly in maintenance > >>>> on a document management package. On the government side this is very > >>>> important software as it allows for public access to public documents > >>>> with minimal staff time after the input of the documents. This type > >>>> of a application is very valuable towards saving taxpayer dollars. :) > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> > >>>> Dirk > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:58:06 -0500, Jeff Fleitz > >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hey Adam, > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree with Dan that the process should be a single page with > >>>>> checkboxes or something instead of a separate page for > >>>>> each option. Actually, I would like to see an 'expert mode' > >>>>> implementd in 1.1 that would eliminate the wizard and just > >>>>> install the framework to a directory. After you have done this once > >>>>> or twice and know how things work, the wizard just > >>>>> gets in the way. I would rather just set the datasource and > >>>>> mappings ahead of time and generate the code. > >>>>> > >>>>> I also think you need to make some money to keep the high quality > >>>>> apps going. Some ideas, like PlumForums and > >>>>> PlumCatalog/PlumCart could be packaged and sold as standalone apps > >>>>> by themselves, with an installer,etc., without the > >>>>> Plum IDE/Generator being part of the deal. For just those folks who > >>>>> want a forums package, but don't want to develop > >>>>> with Plum. I think you should charge for that. ($20 or $30 or > >>>>> something). > >>>>> > >>>>> Then you could sell versions of Plum that had these apps built in > >>>>> so that you could include/develop them with the > >>>>> projects and have a license to deploy, etc. So you could buy, as an > >>>>> example the Plum generator with Forums for $99 > >>>>> instead of $79, or Plum with PlumCatalog/PlumCart for $99, or Plum > >>>>> 'Enterprise' that includes all of them for $129 or > >>>>> something like that. I know it is chump change, but it will help a > >>>>> little. > >>>>> > >>>>> I think something like the File manager/image uploader Dirk is > >>>>> talking about or a simple mail client, are really more > >>>>> examples of a utility and won't have much functionality outside of > >>>>> a Plum app. It supports an app, but really isn't an > >>>>> app, unlike PlumForums. You aren't going to want to install the > >>>>> whole Plum Framework to implement a file upload > >>>>> manager. These types of things you should include as part of the > >>>>> Plum Generator (by the way, can you call it the Plum > >>>>> CodeGen or Pluminator or something else a little more catchy ;)? > >>>>> Plum Generator just sounds 'heavy' and non-techie. > >>>>> 'Hey Martha, I'm on Google right now, and did you know somebody > >>>>> invented a machine that generates plums?' > >>>>> > >>>>> Lastly, and this is a shameless request, because I do more > >>>>> intranet/extranet sites than the public-facing stuff, but I > >>>>> think the killer app in this is an integrated report writer, > >>>>> especially with CFMX 7 out, and the ability to generate > >>>>> pdf/flashpaper/excel output. I hope you guys decide to go forward > >>>>> on that (otherwise I will have too ;). What would be > >>>>> even cooler is to make it ad hoc by using XSLT and the .plum > >>>>> project file (you have all the table, columns, relation > >>>>> stuff in there, right?) There is only one product on the market > >>>>> for this (HotQuery) and it is really expensive and > >>>>> outdated. > >>>>> > >>>>> Whew. My 2 cents. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jeff > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>> Jeff Fleitz > >>>>> Tekquest, Ltd > >>>>> Integrated Digital Solutions > >>>>> http://www.tekquest.com > >>>>> _______________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Adam Churvis wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> So I'm sitting here thinking about V1.1, and I'm wondering about > >>>>>> adding > >>>>>> optional functionality to Plum right out of the box, so I wanted > >>>>>> everyone's > >>>>>> opinion on this idea: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1) When creating a new Plum project, one of the New Plum Project > >>>>>> Wizard > >>>>>> panels asks if you want to install PlumForums (just a pair of > >>>>>> Yes/No radio > >>>>>> buttons). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2) A second panel asks if you want to install PlumCatalog and > >>>>>> PlumCart. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 3) Additional panels ask if you want to install additional modules. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> First question: does this sound like a good idea? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Second question: what should one or more of those "additional > >>>>>> modules" be? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm seriously thinking about including PlumForums, > >>>>>> PlumCatalog/PlumCart, and > >>>>>> these additional modules for free along with Plum, so that Plum could > >>>>>> literally have just about everything you'd need (except custom > >>>>>> business > >>>>>> processes and graphics, of course) two minutes after launching the > >>>>>> Plum IDE. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What do you all think? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also, I'm going to take Sean Corfield's advice and rename Plum IDE > >>>>>> "Plum > >>>>>> Generator" in V1.1. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks in advance for your feedback. :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Respectfully, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Adam Phillip Churvis > >>>>>> Member of Team Macromedia > >>>>>> http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Download Plum and other cool development tools, > >>>>>> and get advanced intensive Master-level training: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * C# & ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers > >>>>>> * ColdFusion MX Master Class > >>>>>> * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ********************************************************************** > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You can subscribe to and unsubscribe from lists, and you can change > >>>>>> your subscriptions between normal and digest modes here: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/DiscussionListsForm.cfm > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ********************************************************************** > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ********************************************************************** > >>>>> You can subscribe to and unsubscribe from lists, and you can change > >>>>> your subscriptions between normal and digest modes here: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/DiscussionListsForm.cfm > >>>>> ********************************************************************** > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ********************************************************************** > >>>> You can subscribe to and unsubscribe from lists, and you can change > >>>> your subscriptions between normal and digest modes here: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/DiscussionListsForm.cfm > >>>> ********************************************************************** > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> ********************************************************************** > >>> You can subscribe to and unsubscribe from lists, and you can change > >>> your subscriptions between normal and digest modes here: > >>> > >>> http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/DiscussionListsForm.cfm > >>> ********************************************************************** > >>> > >> > >> > >> ********************************************************************** > >> You can subscribe to and unsubscribe from lists, and you can change > >> your subscriptions between normal and digest modes here: > >> > >> http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/DiscussionListsForm.cfm > >> ********************************************************************** > >> > >> > > > > ********************************************************************** > > You can subscribe to and unsubscribe from lists, and you can change > > your subscriptions between normal and digest modes here: > > > > http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/DiscussionListsForm.cfm > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > You can subscribe to and unsubscribe from lists, and you can change > your subscriptions between normal and digest modes here: > > http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/DiscussionListsForm.cfm > ********************************************************************** > -- Tim Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] ********************************************************************** You can subscribe to and unsubscribe from lists, and you can change your subscriptions between normal and digest modes here: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/DiscussionListsForm.cfm **********************************************************************
