The real challenge is how you would convince yourself that there is no Maker. Have you decided that not believing in a "Maker" is a sensible thing to do after you have sufficiently dug into scientific facts? Or have you decided not to believe in a "Maker," regardless of where the facts may point to? If the Maker is indeed there, you would have no grounds to even say something like "those who don't believe in the Maker." Moreover, I am not really proposing that anyone believe in the Maker because scientific facts have now reached a point that mere "belief" would be an understatement regarding the level of recognition we can achieve about our Maker. Once a mere belief is promoted to a robust recognition, we can begin to interact with our creator in very interesting ways.
Kamran From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of suranee Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 7:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: RE: RE: [PNEWS-L] God's Will - Moderation (extra terrestrial?) Kamran, "Instead of searching for or even assuming extra terrestrial life or beings, we should do more to recognize our Maker and figure out what he (excuse the gender thing) is up to." What do you suggest those who don't beleive in the "Maker" should do to "recognize what he is doing and figure out what he is upto?" Suranee ----- Original Message ----- From: Kamran To: [email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: {Disarmed} RE: RE: [PNEWS-L] God's Will - Moderation (extra terrestrial?) Suranee, I don't know anything about Buddhism, but I do know that the physical laws are the same everywhere in our physical universe and since there is abundant evidence and rational inference of scientific facts that these laws are non-discerning and only act as the superstructure of the physical universe and thus could not have in any way put the information-based nano-machinery of life together on this planet earth, then they are pretty much as impotent everywhere else in the Universe when it comes to manufacturing the machinery for life. So if there are any "Extra Terrestrial Beings," elsewhere they would have to be placed there by the same Maker that has put us here. Whether our Maker would have custom designed another planet for life, as he has done the earth, and repeated the picture of life elsewhere is something to be discussed and argued for. So far I don't see why he should repeat the same project elsewhere. Instead of searching for or even assuming extra terrestrial life or beings, we should do more to recognize our Maker and figure out what he (excuse the gender thing) is up to. Kamran From: [email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of suranee Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:41 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: RE: [PNEWS-L] God's Will - Moderation Kamran, "I am here to challenge atheism and views that claim that life and its various formations are natural/autonomous outgrowths of the physical constitution of our universe." What about Buddhism? Do you think there's a connection between Buddhism and Extra Terrestial Beings? Suranee ----- Original Message ----- From: Kamran To: [email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:adar%40blakhillsg0ld.com> <mailto:adar%40blakhillsg0ld.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: {Disarmed} RE: [PNEWS-L] God's Will - Moderation [Facilitator's Note: See Objectives and Guidelines in the file section for this forum - and while there read the other files which you should have received when you subscribed... Hank Roth] I am here to challenge atheism and views that claim that life and its various formations are natural/autonomous outgrowths of the physical constitution of our universe. I would also like to discuss a whole host of other historic, political and international topics and ideas, all of which would eventually have a linkage with the truth behind human existence and future path; or as close to the truth as we can rationally infer. If you think these ideas should be moderated, then I have no place here. Please let me know. Kamran From: [email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Kamran Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:34 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:adar%40blakhillsg0ld.com> <mailto:adar%40blakhillsg0ld.com> Subject: RE: [PNEWS-L] God's Will I wonder why my piece on God's Will was not posted. Can anyone tell me how the moderation, if any, on this list works? Kamran [Facilitator's Note: See Objectives and Guidelines in the file section for this forum - and while there read the other files which you should have received when you subscribed... Hank Roth] From: [email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> On Behalf Of adar Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:04 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:PNEWS-L%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [PNEWS-L] God's Will This religious brainwashing really is the opiate and dumbing down of believers in belief. Jews who rejected circumcision and intermarried with Gentiles were considered evil by the religious bigots - not much unlike those orthodox Jews today - and if you want an example of their bigotry go to the Israeli National Radio website and read the claptrap there. Hellenization happens again, though now it is assimilation to European and American culture. (Donnella: Antiochus turned Jerusalem into a Greek city, not a Roman city) I'll take Zeus any day over Yahweh. Anyone who wants an accurate account should read Maccabees II. The Jews were warring on each other like the Sunnis and the Shias war on each other. Mix in some Christian Crusades and you have creeds which can only appeal to the certifiably insane. Hank Roth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] *----------------------------------------------------------* This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Suntel wOw Mail Scanner, and is believed to be clean. *----------------------------------------------------------* -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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