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> http://pnews.org/ >Progressive News & Views (since 1982) > >Hank, I have to disagree with your statement that you cannot remain >a Muslim and believe in peace. I belong to a peace group here, and >we have several dedicated Muslims in our group. Where are you Dean? Are you in America, and are they also Americans? Where is "here"? It seems that westerners are fooling themselves with NOT having a Middle Eastern mindset. YOU ARE THINKING LIKE A WESTERNER. If there was a way of "reconciliation" then why did they throw out the Jews from Arab countries and take Jewish property? Those people did NOTHING wrong except to have a different religion besides being a Muslim. Why can't Jews from other countries who aren't Israelis go to Saudi Arabia? This has NOTHING to do with Israel, and everything to do with NOT being a Muslim. This has NOTHING to do with prejudice. It is because if you live in America THEY ARE THE MINORITY, and will TOLERATE you. They WILL belong to a "peace" group, why shouldn't they, after all, that is one way of getting you out of their face, and let more of them settle in America. Sure there are ALWAYS people in a group that are NOT hard line fanatics and want peace, but they also are the minority. That is why they are here in America and NOT in the Middle East! But when you are talking about the Middle East, the hardliners run the show in the Arab world. -- Joni > I believe that they are sincere. Your prejudice is showing. >Thought for the day: "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory >for humanity." ~Horace Mann, educational reformer (1796 > ~ >Yours in peace, > >Dean > >I pledge allegiance to humankind, and to the universe in which it lives...one >community under a consciousness of Love, indivisible, with liberty and justice >for all. >********************************************************************************************************** >In these days of inclusive language, we very much need a pronoun of neutral >gender, both for general usage ("one" is often awkward and imprecise) and >for reference to a preferred deity. When specific gender is appropriately >avoided, I propose "ke" (pronounced kay) for "he/she" and "kira" >(pronounced keera) for "him/her/his/hers." If anyone wishes to express >kiraself elegantly and with precision, I think ke will find these >simple additions >to our language to be very helpful. I hope my readers here, will adopt them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hank Roth > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:50 AM > Subject: [pnews-views] Re: New Israel/Palestine List > > > http://pnews.org/ > Progressive News & Views (since 1982) > > > I have to agree with Joni. As a very active member of many, many Jewish > left-wing groups years ago we tried and we tried and it didn't seem to > matter but it was only because we did not understand at the time that you > cannot remain a Muslim and still believe in peace. It is not part of their > religion to submit to anything but Mohammad. Any truce they make is > tactical. It seems like I'm generalizing and I try to avoid that, but the > fact of the matter is, unless a Muslim becomes an atheist he/she will not > agree to coexistence with infidels which are anyone who isn't a Muslim. > Muslims are even at war with each other. Until the west realizes this they > will continue to go on making the same mistakes of trying to encourage > Muslims to be democratic but the truth is Bush and his gang are not > interested in democracy; they only want power and fundamentalists share > the same objectives but each is only concerned with their own salvation. > The Jews must remain strong and there must be a strong Israel. There is no > other alternative to this. > > > --- Which incidentally is why I hated Spielberg's Munich. It was > all about Jewish guilt where there should not have been any. Anybody here > see it? > > Hank > > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Joni Ferris wrote: > > > http://pnews.org/ > > Progressive News & Views (since 1982) > > > >> http://pnews.org/ > >> Progressive News & Views (since 1982) > >> > >> > >> For those who do not know Ed Kent, he is a professor of philosophy > > > > And a person who has an unrealistic point of view! > > > > -- Joni > > > > > >> at > >> CUNY. Hello Ed. > >> > >> Hank > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Ed Kent wrote: > >> > >>> http://pnews.org/ > >>> Progressive News & Views (since 1982) > >>> > >>> Hank, I have set up a new list that might be of interest to you -- > >>> Israel/Palestine: > >>> > >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Israel_Palestine > >>> > >>> Description > >>> > >>> This group will work towards achieving peace in >Israel/Palestine through > >>> candid sharing of information and concerns by Israelis, Palestinians, > >>> and others who hope to achieve truth and reconciliation there. > >>> > >>> My aim is to have candid commentary on the problems over there so as to > >>> work more effectively towards real peace. I am all too aware of the > >>> defenders of Israel, right or wrong, and its covert critics -- both of > >>> whom worry me. > >>> > >>> This list has participants from both sides of the Green line speaking > >>> out candidly and I post to it selectively information that I >consider to > >>> be important that is all too often lost in the fog. > >>> > >>> Best, Ed > >>> -- > >>> "A war is just if there is no alternative, and the resort to arms is > >>> legitimate if they represent your last hope." 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