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Dean: Think about this and every human interaction in real world evolutionary terms and periods and what do you see? We are animals. We are only different as a species but no different as to evolution and survival. If you remove the things you think about some ethereal human component to existence you will see the world differently than you do by applying philosophies which we invent to give purpose to a purposeless world. In any event I appreciate your comments. Hank On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, RDL wrote: > http://pnews.org/ > Progressive News & Views (since 1982) > > Hank, non-violence must be a way of life...not just a technique in > moments of crisis. I could say much more, but I don't think you want > your forum to be used as a debate on just this one question. You and I > agree on so very many things, but I am sure that we shall never agree on > this Israeli-Palestinian question I do very much believe in non-violence > and indeed in its practicality, but I win few arguments. I only know > that violence does not work either...there are always more enemies out > there to take the place of the ones we destroy. We'll never kill them > all off. I think there are ways, difficult as it may be, ultimately to > make friends with them, but I am aware of the many arguments against it. > For me it is the way of hope, Hank. Some day we must all, Jews and > Gentiles, find a way to express that in our lives. Each side sees the > other as unreasonable. You say so many wise and practical things about > relationships between nations and peoples. I can only urge you to keep > an open mind, and I assure you that I shall, as well. -Dean > > > Dean: > > Christ (if he lived) said (through his deciple Paul) to "Turn the other > cheek" and Ghandhi said something very similar, that the Jews should use > none-violence as protestation against Nazi atrocities and those Jews who > were perceived as being led like sheep to their slaughter became DEAD from > which there is no return. Never again Dean. The Arabs cannot win against > the Jews except by sheer numbers as long as the Jews remain very strong > and demonstrate that they will not capitulate. It sounds as-if you are > suggesting that they do capitulate. It won't happen. I'm glad you know > Muslims who seem willing to compromise as the Jews have done but they > already have (Trans) Jordan and Israel is less than 1% of the land mass of > all land belonging to Muslims in the Middle East. How would you like them > to surrender? How would you surrender to them? Do you think they should > take the Kassim rockets landing on them and not do anything? I think they > should build a fence. That is my idea -- but Israel is not an apartheid > state so Muslims will always live there and they will continue to work > there. But Jews will not live in Mecca or Medina. Nor will they live in > Jordan - because it isn't permitted. > > Hank > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, RDL wrote: > >> http://pnews.org/ >> Progressive News & Views (since 1982) >> >> Joni, the main problem with showing how strong you are, is that the ones >> who have been "shown" will now do everything they can to become >> stronger as well. That is the basis for arms races, and we have seen it >> over and over again. At some point, something must give. Let us hope >> it is not our mutual destruction. The mania for dealing from a >> "position of strength" results in financial disaster, and usually with >> further wars, suffering, and tragedy. >> >> Thought for the day: "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the >> attribute of the strong." >> ~Mohandas K. 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