On 9 March 2011 10:37, alex <> wrote:
> Artists often say they like Max and PD because they are visual.
> However you can put boxes where you like, it makes no difference
> because visual layout in these languages is entirely secondary syntax.

I meant secondary notation (one of Thomas's cognitive dimensions).

> In opposition to Myers, I think the value of so-called `visual
> languages' is that they are not constrained by visible dimensions *at
> all*.

Not *the* value, but *a* value.  Having layout for unconstrained
secondary notation is of course also very valuable for human-human



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