Maaf Pak Danar, saya tidak menyinggung masalah tokoh ini masuk Islam atau Kristen tetapi mengenai sejarah ini dan apa yang telah ia tinggalkan bagi kita generasi penurus sekarang dan yang akan datang! sebab bagi saya secara pribadi nama agama tidak terlalu penting tetapi apa yang ia tinggalkan pada waktu itu dan apa yang sekarang kita warisi saat ini dan mungkin akan diwarisi oleh anak-anak kita juga! Itulah sebabnya, perlu diteliti kembali saat ini mulai dari kampung halamannya kemudian dari sejarah masalah lampau semacam, dapat dibangun kembali sehingga generasi kita dapat mempersiapkan satu model hidup yang baru sebagai sikap kita menghadapi perubahan yang sedang terjadi dab bagaimana kita dapat masuk kedalamnya dan ituk serta dalam perubahan tersebut sehingga di zaman anak-anak kitapun, mereka dapat merekonstruksi ciri hidup mereka dari pengalaman kita dengan tokoh tersebut dan barangkali bisa juga tokoh lain
Danardono HADINOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kalau kita sering pulang kampung, bung, tak perlu kita tergantung rak2 buku di AS dan Eropa. Saya memang hobby sejarah, dari masa SMA (lulus tahun 1963), dan saya teruskan di universitas. Di LN saya lihat, terutama di Belanda, lebih banyak pustaka mengenai kebudayaan kita daripada di Indonesia. Di Museum Gutenberg di jerman ada lontar dengan tulisan asli Batak dari ratusan tahun yang silam, tak ada lagi dimanapun. Kalau anda mau buat dissertasi mengenai sejarah Tanah Air, dari Pra Sejarah sampai sejarah mnodern, jangan lupa meninjau ke perpustakaan di Belanda. Anda tak percaya? Karena saya dahulu di Tanah Air tahun 60an anggauta PMKRI, banyak teman2 saya dari Indonesia timur. Saya cukup mendapat penjelasan mengenai Thomas Matulessy. Anda ada referensi, Thomas ini masuk Islam? RM Danardono HADINOTO Wissel merren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Menurut hemat saya, perpustakaan tentang kita ada di kampung kita sendiri bukan di rak-rak perpustakaan eropa atau amerika. Jadi sebaiknya kita semua pulang kampung dan cari dari sana sebab disana ada saksi bisu dan saksi hidup. merekalah yang akan memberikan kesaksian tentang fakta yang kita ingin ketahui tentang diri kita sendiri Danardono HADINOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Taulan, jangan meng-ada2. Komunitas Indonesia timur, yang aku kenal pribadi, mengetahui siapa pak Thomas Matulessy ini, yang tak pernah masuk Islam. Google atau tidak, itu tak penting. Banyak sumber referensi sejarah tanah air. Kau punya referensi dari kampungmu? Bawalah kemari. RM Danardono HADINOTO Petter Taulan P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: kalimat pertama mu menujukkan kebohonganmu danar.kalimat selanjutnya menujukkan ke naifan mu. ps:lain kali reply harap jgn pakai subject nama Have a nice daY, ptP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: Danardono HADINOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Untuk Taulan---> [ppiindia] Isu Kristenisasi Pilpres (kolom) - Email found in subject - Email found in subject > > Untuk menggali sejarah Tanah Air kita tak perlu google dll, cukup pustaka yang kita miliki. Beri referensimu dari kampung. > > > Petter Taulan P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > danar, referensi yang u dapat berasal dari google...search by google. > written by dutch. > > cari info ke kampung asalnya langsung dong. > > ptP > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Danardono HADINOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:01 PM > Subject: [SPAM] - Untuk Taulan---> [ppiindia] Isu Kristenisasi Pilpres > (kolom) - Email found in subject - Email found in subject > > > > Petter Taulan P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "Danar, thomas matulessy itu muslim jika u kira dia bukan > > > > ptP > > > > RM Danardono HADINOTO: > > > > Sebuah kecerobohan besar, Taulan! Pelajari dahulu sejarah sebelum > menulis. Nguawurr. > > > > Pattimura lahir di Haria, Saparua pada tahun 1783 dan dipermandikan > sebagai orang Kristen Protestant dengan nama Thomas. > > > > Mengenai exekusi beliau di benteng Victoria pada 16 December 1817 > ditulis sbb: > > > > "Pattimura was hung on 16 December 1817 in Fort Victoria. His body was > put in a cage above sea. Pattimura and his fellow prisoners spent the night > before his execution "praying and singing psalms". Indeed, they were > devouted Protestants who were convinced that they were fighting for a > religious cause........" > > > > "Psalm" atau bahasa Indonesia adalah Mazmur adalah nyanyian ibadat yang > dinyanyikan oleh umat Kristen. > > > > Lain kali kalau menulis pikir seribukali... > > > > RM Danardono HADINOTO > > > > Vienna, Austria > > > > > > > > In 1817, power over The Moluccas was taken back again from the British. > The by the British formed Moluccan corps of 400 militaries was being > dismantled by the Dutch. The Moluccan soldiers wanted to keep serving on the > Moluccas. The Dutch were not used to this, so a lot of problems arose. > > > > The new resident, van den Berg, tried to apply even more changes, but > was not very refined at this. For instance, very soon the rumour started > that the Moluccan Protestant Institution was to be changed again. On 14 May > 1817 a large group of discontented Moluccans came together and chose a > non-commissioned Officer from the British Moluccan corps as their commander: > Thomas Matulesi, later better known as Pattimura. > > > > The Moluccan took Fort Duurstede on the island Saparua after hour-long > battles, during which the sole survivor was the 6-year-old son of the > resident. Naturally, this had to be retributed! > > > > The first counterattack miserably failed: of the 200 soldiers that were > sent to the island, merely 30 survived. What an embarrassment, particularly > because Pattimura was being supported by more and more islanders who did not > want to have to do anything anymore with the Dutch. > > > > Only after 6 months new troops were available and now the attack on The > Moluccas was successful. After two months of battle Pattimura could be taken > prisoner and the resistance collapsed. The exact amount of casualties was > never revealed....... > > > > Pattimura was hung on 16 December 1817 in Fort Victoria. His body was > put in a cage above sea. Pattimura and his fellow prisoners spent the night > before his execution "praying and singing psalms". Indeed, they were > devouted Protestants who were convinced that they were fighting for a > religious cause........ > > > > Jean Lubbert, the 6-year-old son of the murdered resident, was attending > the execution. The child was transferred to The Netherlands in 1820 and > until today, his family officially goes by the name of "Van den Berg van > Saparua". > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Danardono HADINOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:54 PM > > Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [ppiindia] Isu Kristenisasi Pilpres (kolom) - > Email > > found in subject > > > > > > > "Tapi menurut saya, yang lebih penting adalah kemampuan Capres dalam > > memberantas korupsi, serta > > > mensejahterakan rakyat...." > > > > > > > > > > > > Itulah pak. Waktu perjuangan melawan Belanda, darah menetes nyawa > > melayang dari tubuh pejuang Islam, Kristen, Hindu dan Buddha.. > > > > > > Kita juga tak menanyakan apakah darah yang mengalir dari tubuh Daan > > Mogot, Thomas Matulessy, Kristina Martha Tiahohu itu darah agama apa? > > > > > > Salam > > > > > > RM Danardono HADINOTO > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 100MB kostenlosem Speicher > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia > yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi.4t.com > > > *************************************************************************** > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > Mohon Perhatian: > > > > 1. 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