----- Original Message ----- From: "RG Nur Rahmat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 3:28 AM Subject: Re: Membela tp merendahkan Islam Re: [ppiindia] A Nizami Re: Mengharamkan Poligami dan Menghalalkan Perzinahan
> > Women and Maidens in Heaven according to Islam. Will women have > companions? > Certainly, they need companionship of me. Anyone who you want to join? Please send application soonest!. > > Does Paradise in Islam really have Homosexuality in it? > > The sections of this article are: > > 1- Does Paradise in Islam really have Homosexuality in it? > 2- Lesbians in Paradise? Will a believing single woman have a male or > female > spouse in Paradise? > 3- So what about the married (here on earth) believing men and women? > 4- In Paradise everyone (men and women) will live happily. > 5- How come women in Islam can't have multiple husbands if they are equal > to men? > 6- Further additions and explanations from Muslims. > > It has come to my attention that a group of the Christian "Answering > Islam" team are trying to spread the false idea that the Islamic Paradise > will have Lesbians in it. They first tried to show that when Allah > Almighty uses the word "Righteous" for the Muslims, He is referring to > both men and women, which is absolutely correct. Let us look at the > following Noble Verses: > > "While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto > him: 'God doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a > Word from God, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a prophet,- of the > (goodly) company of the righteous.' (The Noble Quran, 3:39)" > > "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall > be (of the company) of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:46)" > > "They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and > forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: > They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:114)" > > "The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they > scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the > Day of Resurrection; for God bestows His abundance without measure on whom > He will. (The Noble Quran, 2:212)" > > "Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam. Behold! > they each presented a sacrifice (to God): It was accepted from one, but > not from the other. Said the latter: 'Be sure I will slay thee.' 'Surely,' > said the former, "God doth accept of the sacrifice of those who are > righteous.' (The Noble Quran, 5:27)" > > "What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the > home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not then > understand? (The Noble Quran, 6:32)" > > "The day We shall gather the righteous to (God) Most Gracious, like a band > presented before a king for honours, (The Noble Quran, 19:85)" > > "Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): > My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth. (The Noble Quran, > 21:105)" > > The above Noble Verses are crystal clear about the word "righteous" > referring to both men and women. The Paradise and Great Reward that Allah > Almighty promised and prepared for the "righteous" is indeed meant for > both men and women. > > > > Lesbians in Paradise? Will a believing single woman have a male or female > spouse in Paradise? > > This is the section where the Christian "Answering Islam" team is clearly > wrong in. They claim that since Allah Almighty called both men and women > "righteous" in the Noble Verses above, and promised them to be joined > together as "companions" as shown Noble Verses below, and didn't specify > that men will be joined with women only, then He the Almighty meant that > He will mix both genders together and allow them to have sexual > relationships together as Gays and Lesbians. This conclusion from that > bogus team is plain dumb! No woman will be a Lesbian, and no man will be > a Gay in Paradise. Let us look at the following Noble Verses that the > Christian "Answering Islam" team had used: > > "Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Youths (handsome) as > Pearls well-guarded. (The Noble Quran, 52:24)" "...Youths (handsome)..." > is written in Arabic as "gilma-nun llahum". Gilma-nun literally means > young males. This Noble Verse is talking about young male servants whom > Allah Almighty Created for the service of the Believers in Paradise. > > "Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness), (The > Noble Quran, 56:17)" "...youths of..." is written in Arabic this time as > "wil-daa-nun", which literally means young boys. This Noble Verse is > again talking about young male servants whom Allah Almighty Created for > the service of the Believers in Paradise. > > "And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If > thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls. (The Noble > Quran, 76:19)" "youths of..." uses the same exact word in Noble Verse > 56:17. > > "And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's > (tribunal) and had restrained (their) soul from lower desires, Their abode > will be the Garden. (The Noble Quran, 79:40-41)" "...Their abode will be > the Garden." is written in Arabic as "fa-inna al-jannata hiya al-ma'wa". > This is a correct translation. However, it doesn't show anywhere of same > genders having sex with each others. > > "They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; > and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous > eyes. (The Noble Quran, 52:20)" "We shall join them to Companions..." is > written in Arabic as "wa-zawwaj-naahum bi-hoori-aayn". The English > translation is not quite accurate for this Noble Verse. The Arabic word > "wa-zawwaj-naahum" means to have them marry or get married. "join them > to Companions" is not really accurate, because it doesn't necessarily mean > that they would get married if they were "Companions". > > Very Important Note: It is very important to know that the Arabic Noble > Quran is referring to marriage in this Noble Verse, because marriage in > Islam is NOT FOR THE SAME GENDERS. Males can not marry males in Islam. > The same applies for females. So when Allah Almighty used the word > "Wa-Zawwaj-naahum", which is derived from the Arabic word "zawaaj > (marriage)", He the Almighty clearly meant to enjoin males and females > into marriage, and not to mix the males and females together and have them > pick and choose their sexual mates, even if they were the same gender. > Let us look at Noble Verse 44:54 "Moreover, We shall Join them to > Companions With beautiful, big, And lustrous eyes." The same word for > "...join them to Companions..." is used in Noble Verse 52:20. > > As for those whom the believers would marry, "...With beautiful, big, And > lustrous eyes...", it is written in Arabic as "bi hoori-aayn". This same > word was used for Jesus' (peace be upon him) disciples (al-hawariyyun as > plural......hur or huri or houri as singular), which both (al-hawariyyun) > and (hoori-aayn) are both derived from the Arabic word "hoor" or "howr", > or "hur". > > The following comment regarding Noble Verses 52:20 and 44:54 was taken > from the foot notes of the Noble Quran that was translated by Minister > (Sheikh) Abdullah Yusuf Ali; may Allah Almighty rest his soul and make > Paradise his ultimate destiny: "Hur implies the following ideas: (1) > purity; possibly the word Hawariyun, as applied to the first Disciples of > Jesus, is connected with this root; (2) beauty, especially of eyes, where > the intense white of the eyeballs stands out against the intense black of > the pupil, thus giving the appearance of lustre, and intense feeling: as > opposed to dullness or want of expression; and (3) truth and good will." > > The word "hur" which Jesus' male disciples and the companions of believers > in Paradise were given names that were derived from it quite clearly is > referring to both males and females. This means that the winners of > Paradise will have their suitable gender of "hoori-aayn" depending on > their gender. > > So when Allah Almighty promised companions to the believers in Paradise, > He quite clearly and obviously promised female companions for the males > and male companions for the females. > > Important Note: In Arabic, plurals and pronouns are derived from root > words. In the case of "Quran" for instance as in "Noble Quran", it is > derived from the root word "Iqra" which means read. "Qara" means "past of > read", "Quran" means "The read". It could also mean "The Revealed" since > the word "Qara" could also mean "Read to him/her" as in "Qara alaihi or > Qara lahu", which means "Read to him". > > Another example to take is "Kitab" which means "Book". It is derived from > the root word "yaktub" which means "write". "kitaba" means "writing". > "kataba" means "wrote". So "kitab" means the "The written". > > In the case of the word "hawariyyun", which is the word Allah Almighty > called Jesus' disciples peace be upon them, it is derived from the root > word "hur". So in the case of Jesus' disciples peace be upon them, Allah > Almighty respected them by calling them "hawariyyun", which is plural of > "huri", which is derived from the root word "hur" which means a very > beautiful human-creation of Allah Almighty. So the word "hur" or "huri" > in the Noble Quran and Arabic can refer to either a male or female and NOT > JUST FEMALES ALONE, thus making the hoori-aayn or huri-aayn of Paradise be > either males huri-aayn or females huri-aayn, because "huri-aayn" is > derived from the root word "hur". > > Another Important Note: In the section below, you will see proof that a > woman can only have one husband. A woman can't have multiple husbands. > Only the man can have multiple wives. > > > > So what about the married (here on earth) believing men and women? > > First of all, we have to understand that when Allah Almighty created us, > He created us so we can live in pairs (husbands and wives) in harmony and > peace for ever. "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you > mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, > and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are > Signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran, 30:21)" > > The righteous husbands and wives would live in harmony, peace and love not > only here on earth, but also in Paradise as well; "Enter ye the Garden, ye > and your wives, in (beauty and) rejoicing. (The Noble Quran, 43:70)" > > Allah Almighty from His very first Creation of Mankind meant to create us > to live in pairs (husbands and wives) in peace and harmony; "We said: 'O > Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful > things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or > ye run into harm and transgression.' (The Noble Quran, 2:35)" This GOD > Almighty's System will be implemented in Heaven for the believers as we > saw in Noble Verse 43:70 above. > > Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said regarding > women in Paradise: > > "This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira through > another chain of transmitters that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon > him) said: The (members of the) first group which would get into Paradise > will have their faces as bright as stars in the sky. They would neither > pass water, nor void excrement, nor will they suffer from catarrh, nor > will they spit, and their combs would be made of gold, and their sweat > will be musk, the fuel of their brazier will be aloes, and their wives > will be large-eyed maidens and their form would be alike as one single > person after the form of their father (Adam) sixty cubits tall. > (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 40, The Book Pertaining to Paradise, > Its Description, Its Bounties and Its Intimates (Kitab Al-Jannat wa Sifat > Na'imiha wa Ahliha), Number 6795)" > > Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal: "The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: > if anyone suppresses anger when he is in a position to give vent to it, > Allah, the Exalted, will call him on the Day of Resurrection over the > heads of all creatures, and ask him to choose any of the bright and large > eyed maidens he wishes. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 41, General Behavior > (Kitab Al-Adab), Number 4759)" > > The above two Sayings (Hadiths) of our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be > upon him tell us that: > > 1- The believing wives of the believing husbands will be as beautiful as > the maidens or houris in Heaven, and they will be large-eyed maidens for > their husbands. > > 2- The man can choose from any maidens he desires. > > 3- The single believing men and women who get admitted to Paradise can > marry and live happily in Paradise since there will be "husbands" and > "wives". See Noble Verses 52:20 and 44:54 and the comments/analysis > about them above. > > 4- A man can have wives and maidens. A woman can have only one husband. > The maidens for the man will be of equal age and are never touched or seen > by any man or jinn. Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the > Noble Quran: > > "So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant > you, except in Punishment. Verily for the Righteous there will be a > fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; > Companions of equal age; (The Noble Quran, 78:30-33)" > > "...Of the Gardens will be Near....In them will be (Maidens), chaste, > restraining their glances, whom no Man or Jinn before them has touched. > (The Noble Quran, 55:54, 56)" > > Here we clearly see that Allah Almighty prepared maidens of equal age and > who were never touched by Jinn or Man for the believing men. > > > > In Paradise everyone (men and women) will live happily: > > Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran: > > "Verily the Companions of the Garden shall that Day have joy in all that > they do; (The Noble Quran, 36:55)" > > "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it > are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never > changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey > pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace > from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall > dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that > it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)? (The Noble Quran, 47:15)" > > "As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their > entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise, (The Noble Quran, 18:107)" > > "And those who feared their Lord will be led to the Garden in crowds: > until behold, they arrive there; its gates will be opened; and its keepers > will say: 'Peace be upon you! well have ye done! enter ye here, to dwell > therein.' (The Noble Quran, 39:73)" > > "They will say: 'Praise be to God, Who has truly fulfilled His Promise to > us, and has given us (this) land in heritage: We can dwell in the Garden > as we will: how excellent a reward for those who work (righteousness)!' > (The Noble Quran, 39:74)" > > "But those who have faith and work righteousness, they are companions of > the Garden: Therein shall they abide (For ever). (The Noble Quran, 2:82)" > > "Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden > whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, > prepared for the righteous, (The Noble Quran, 3:133)" > > "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment > shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the > Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): > For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception. (The > Noble Quran, 3:185)" > > There are many more Noble Verses that elaborate on the Great Reward and > Joy that the Believers (men and women) will have in Heaven, but I think > the above Noble Verses are good enough to prove my point. > > > > How come women in Islam can't have multiple husbands if they are equal to > men? > > This is one of the things that I personally can't speak on behalf of GOD > Almighty. I can't ALWAYS tell you why or why not He chose to do certain > things. But throughout His Noble Revelations that started from the time > of Adam all the way to Muhammad peace be upon them, polygany or polygamy > (man having multiple women) is allowed (although it is highly discouraged > to a point where it is almost prohibited in Islam to most men), where > polyandry (woman having multiple husbands) had always been forbidden! > > Note: The word "polygamy" in the past used to mean men and women marrying > multiple husbands and wives, meaning that the man would have multiple > wives and each of his wives would have multiple husbands. But today, the > word had been modified to mean "man having multiple wives" only. At > least, this is what I meant it to mean in this article. > > As far as women being equal to men in Islam, well, please visit Women in > Islam V.S. Christianity to see the many proofs that women are indeed equal > to men in Islam and hold a very dear, respectful and honorable place in > Islam, and how women on the other hand are nothing but "sex objects" who > have no value in Christianity. Islam came to liberate and free women and > put them on the highest ranks of honor. I provided quotes and proofs from > both the Noble Quran, and the Bible's Old and New Testaments. > > > > Further additions and explanations from Muslims: > > The following addition was sent to me by brother Rizan Bin Noordin; may > Allah Almighty always be pleased with him. > > Regarding the above-said article, I believe the answering-Islam team are > mixing their views of Heaven with what they find here on Earth. In the > Qur'an it is said: > > "And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive > instruction." - surah adh-Dhariyat 51:49. > > and > > "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among > yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put > love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those > who reflect." - surah ar-Room 30:21. > > Thus it is clear that for men there are women and vic versa. The ideas of > gayism or lesbianism are not from the commands of Allah, but from the > whisperings of syaitaan. > > "And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit > lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye > indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness > (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they > said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth. He said: "O > my Lord! help Thou me against people who do mischief!" When Our Messengers > came to Abraham with the good news, they said: "We are indeed going to > destroy the people of this township: for truly they are (addicted to) > crime."" - surah al-Ankabut 29:28-31. > > "Those of you who turned back on the day the two hosts Met,-it was Satan > who caused them to fail, because of some (evil) they had done. But Allah > Has blotted out (their fault): For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most > Forbearing." - surah al-Imran 3:155. > > "From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his > whisper),- (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,-" - surah > an-Nas 114:4-5. > > There cannot be any whisperings or evil in heaven. Thus the essential > force that pushes men and women towards the revolting acts are removed. > The Earthbound idea of having relations with servants, or with people of > the same sex are no longer in the equation of human tendencies. Our minds > will be free of such thought, thus the answering-Islam team's allegations > that there will be the base desires in Heaven is absurd. It is clearly > revealed in surah al-Jinn. > > "'And we[the jinn] pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it > filled with stern guards and flaming fire." - surah al-Jinn 72:8. > > So I believe the initial argument from the answering-Islam team is already > wrong. They are arguing semantics while throwing out the essential message > of the whole Qur'an. > > "O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into > unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips > but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will > listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as > come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: > they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any > one's trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for > him against Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their > hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a > heavy punishment." - surah al-Maaidah 5:41. > > That is all from me brother Osama. I hope however little my efforts, I > have helped in your cause. Please carry on your noble efforts in the > spirit of Islam. I hope Allah protect us from speaking untruth and shelter > us from the lies of those with an agenda against His teachings, > InsyaAllah. > > Allah Ma'ak. > > rm_danardono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>>jadi lu bener nggak sedikitpun terbersit keinginan nakal untuk > tidur dengan banyak/berbagai wanita cantik? kalau begitu lu orang > hebat..... orang pilihan<<<<< > > > wahhh...nggak adil nihhh, gimana dengan wanita2 kita yang mimpi tidur > dengan laki2 ganteng ala Tom Cruise dll? Masak laki2 melulu yang > boleh mimpi indah?....disurga katanya ditunggu bidadari yang perawan2 > terus...lah yang wanita saleh ditunggu siapa? masak iya ditunggu > Mullah2 yang sudah meninggal? > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Suhiro wrote: >> >> siapa bilang poligami urusan horisontal saja...disitu ada tanggung > jawab >> kepada TUhan..... >> lagian, umat yang meyakini poligami atau hukum poligami itu dari > tuhan >> sehingga hanya bisa dipake logika Tuhan, bukan logika manusia, > walaupun >> ada yang tidak, yaitu yang percaya tidk ada hukum Tuhan. >> >> jadi kalo urusan vertikal boleh pake logika Allah, horisontal tidak >> >> kawin Mut'ah...boleh-boleh saja kalo mau mengambil hukum itu, islam > syiah >> katanya membolehkan >> >> jadi lu bener nggak sedikitpun terbersit keinginan nakal untuk tidur >> dengan banyak/berbagai wanita cantik? >> >> kalau begitu lu orang hebat..... orang pilihan >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, jksutan wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > logika Allah mengatur urusan vertikal >> > >> > poligami itu urusan horisontal yaitu manusia dgn manusia lain >> > >> > achh gimana pula kau ini BAH! >> > >> > kenapa kawin mutah tak kau imani saja sekalian...? itu baru > wuenak >> > tenan... >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Suhiro wrote: >> > > >> > > bagaimana kalo Logika Allah dipake dalam kasus poligami ini? >> > > juga iman seperti kata Bung Fisdens, >> > > >> > > kalau pake keduanya kan tidak ada masalah lagi to? >> > > >> > > iman dan logika Allah pernah saya baca di sejarah Tuhan, sewaktu >> > > ditanyakan," >> > > Dimanakah Tuhan Bapa sewaktu Yesus disalib, diman juga Roh > Kudus, >> > > apa TUhan Bapa dan Roh Kudus ikut di salib? >> > > kalau ikut disalib dan mati, siapa yang mengatur alam semesta > pada >> > waktu >> > > itu? >> > > bagaimana yang berbeda bisa berada di tempat dan waktu yang > sama? >> > > >> > > itu hanya bisa dijawab dengan IMAN >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Fidens Simanjuntak wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Dear Nizami, >> > > > >> > > > > Maaf bung Fidens, >> > > > > Ini logika orang awam ya, >> > > > >> > > > Tidak apa-apa mbak Nizami. Saya juga dulu sering bertanya- > tanya >> > dengan >> > > > memakai logika orang awam. Dari situ iman saya berkembang. > Tapi, >> > dari >> > > > pengalaman saya, logika "orang-orang awam" itu tidak sanggup >> > > > mengikuti/memahami logika Allah. >> > > > >> > > > > Jika Allah melarang Abraham dan Yakob berpoligami, bukankah >> > Allah akan menegur langsung pada saat itu juga (mis pada surat >> > Kejadian/Raja2)? Lagi pula Abraham dan Yakob itu setahu saya > adalah >> > Nabi. >> > > > >> > > > Saya tidak tahu apakah ada ayat yang menunjukkan bahwa Allah >> > menegur >> > > > nabi-nabinya karena polygamy. Tapi ada ayat-ayat lain dimana >> > Allah >> > > > menegur nabi-nabinya, misalnya >> > > > Musa ditegur karena tidak menuruti perintah Allah --> > akibatnya >> > Musa >> > > > tidak bisa masuk ke tanah perjanjian. Daud, ditegur sewaktu > dia >> > > > melakukan perzinahan. >> > > > >> > > > Kalau saya boleh memakai logika orang awam juga, pada saat > Allah >> > itu >> > > > punya rencana penyelamatan yang besar dalam diri Yesus. Allah >> > ingin >> > > > menyelamatkan seluruh orang, bukan hanya nabi-nabinya. Allah > itu >> > BIG >> > > > BOSS kita manusia. Adakah seorang BOSS perusahaan > multinasional >> > yang >> > > > sedang merencanakan investasi besar-besaran ke seluruh > pelosok >> > dunia, >> > > > mengurusi hutang tukang sapu gedung kantor cabang > perusahaannya >> > di >> > > > Pulo Gadung, tiap kali si tukang sapu nunggak kredit ?? Ini >> > contoh >> > > > saja. >> > > > >> > > > Coba mbak Nizami lihat Kejadian 2:24 >> > > > "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and > be >> > united >> > > > to his wife, and they will become one flesh. " >> > > > >> > > > Orang yang menikah akan jadi "ONE FLESH", satu daging. Kalau >> > begini, >> > > > apakah polygamy tidak mengacau-balaukan rencana Allah ?? >> > Jawabannya >> > > > saya kembalikan pada mbak Nizami sendiri. >> > > > >> > > > > Jika larangan itu diturunkan pada surat Korintus, apakah > tidak >> > terlambat? Setahu saya Korintus itu turun pada zaman > Paulus/Yesus. >> > Sementara antara Abraham dan Yakob dengan Yesus/Paulus ada > rentang >> > waktu ribuan tahun. >> > > > > Jadi jika larangan itu diturunkan terlambat, bagaimana > nasib >> > Abraham dan Yakob? Masuk neraka? >> > > > >> > > > Tidak terlambat, karena sudah ada ayat di Kejadian 2:24 tadi. >> > Kenapa >> > > > mereka polygamy ? Karena kurang percaya pada Tuhan Allah. > Abraham >> > > > menikahi pelayannya karena ingin punya anak dan karena > Istrinya >> > sudah >> > > > mulai tua, yang menurut logika dia, sudah tidak mungkin >> > melahirkan. >> > > > Tuhan Allah sudah menjanjikan bahwa keturunannya akan banyak >> > seperti >> > > > bintang-bintang di langit.Tapi dia mulai ragu, dan akhirnya > patah >> > > > imannya. >> > > > >> > > > Nasib Abraham dan Yakob ?! Saya yakin mereka diterima di > Surga >> > meski >> > > > mereka berdosa. >> > > > Masak sih Abraham, yang dijanjikan Tuhan Allah menjadi bapak >> > segala >> > > > bangsa, masuk neraka. >> > > > >> > > > Sebelum Kristus, manusia diberikan Hukum-Hukum, Larangan- >> > Larangan agar >> > > > mengetahui mana yang baik dan mana yang benar. Setelah > Kristus >> > datang, >> > > > kita cukup percaya pada-Nya dan menerimanya sebagai > juruselamat >> > agar >> > > > diselamatkan. Kekristenan bukanlah agama, tapi hubungan > pribadi >> > antara >> > > > seorang manusia dengan Yesus Kristus. Seorang Kristen adalah >> > seorang >> > > > yang memiliki hubungan pribadi ini. >> > > > >> > > > > Dari surat Korintus itu, saya lihat sebaiknya tidak >> > menikah...:) >> > > > >> > > > Ya. Itu yang terbaik. Seperti pastor-pastor di gereja > Katolik, >> > kalau >> > > > saya boleh ambil contoh. 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