>>>>>The above two Sayings (Hadiths) of our beloved Prophet Muhammad
peace be upon him tell us that:
> 1- The believing wives of the believing husbands will be as
beautiful as the maidens or houris in Heaven, and they will be large-
eyed maidens for their husbands<<<<<
---->Gak ada yang matanya sipit?
>>>> 2- The man can choose from any maidens he desires.
----> Ini dia, jadi lebih sedap daripada dibumi, apalagi kalau
miskin, mana yang mau jadi istri? Ada uang abang sayang, gak ada uang
abang melayang...
>>>> 3- The single believing men and women who get admitted to
Paradise can marry and live happily in Paradise since there will
be "husbands" and "wives". See Noble Verses 52:20 and 44:54 and the
comments/analysis about them above.
------> jadi yang masih single dibumi, gak usah kawatir, kawin aja
nanti setelah meninggal...tapi? gak bnisa punya anak dong?
>>>>> 4- A man can have wives and maidens. A woman can have only one
husband. The maidens for the man will be of equal age and are never
touched or seen by any man or jinn.
Tuhhh, diurga juga wanita hanya boleh satu laki2. Oh mama mia, jinn
tu kayak apa ya? Kok ikut2 main? Disentuh jinn? Tak usah ya?
Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:
> "...Of the Gardens will be Near....In them will be (Maidens),
chaste, restraining their glances, whom no Man or Jinn before them
has touched. (The Noble Quran, 55:54, 56)"
Syukurlah, kalau jinn gak boleh ikut2 nyolek isteri.
RMDH
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RG Nur Rahmat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 3:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Membela tp merendahkan Islam Re: [ppiindia] A Nizami
Re:
> Mengharamkan Poligami dan Menghalalkan Perzinahan
>
>
> >
> > Women and Maidens in Heaven according to Islam. Will women have
> > companions?
> >
> Certainly, they need companionship of me. Anyone who you want to
join?
> Please send application soonest!.
>
> >
> > Does Paradise in Islam really have Homosexuality in it?
> >
> > The sections of this article are:
> >
> > 1- Does Paradise in Islam really have Homosexuality in it?
> > 2- Lesbians in Paradise? Will a believing single woman have a
male or
> > female
> > spouse in Paradise?
> > 3- So what about the married (here on earth) believing men and
women?
> > 4- In Paradise everyone (men and women) will live happily.
> > 5- How come women in Islam can't have multiple husbands if they
are equal
> > to men?
> > 6- Further additions and explanations from Muslims.
> >
> > It has come to my attention that a group of the
Christian "Answering
> > Islam" team are trying to spread the false idea that the Islamic
Paradise
> > will have Lesbians in it. They first tried to show that when
Allah
> > Almighty uses the word "Righteous" for the Muslims, He is
referring to
> > both men and women, which is absolutely correct. Let us look at
the
> > following Noble Verses:
> >
> > "While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels
called unto
> > him: 'God doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the
truth of a
> > Word from God, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a prophet,- of
the
> > (goodly) company of the righteous.' (The Noble Quran, 3:39)"
> >
> > "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And
he shall
> > be (of the company) of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:46)"
> >
> > "They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right,
and
> > forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all)
good works:
> > They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:114)"
> >
> > "The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith,
and they
> > scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them
on the
> > Day of Resurrection; for God bestows His abundance without
measure on whom
> > He will. (The Noble Quran, 2:212)"
> >
> > "Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam.
Behold!
> > they each presented a sacrifice (to God): It was accepted from
one, but
> > not from the other. Said the latter: 'Be sure I will slay
thee.' 'Surely,'
> > said the former, "God doth accept of the sacrifice of those who
are
> > righteous.' (The Noble Quran, 5:27)"
> >
> > "What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best
is the
> > home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not
then
> > understand? (The Noble Quran, 6:32)"
> >
> > "The day We shall gather the righteous to (God) Most Gracious,
like a band
> > presented before a king for honours, (The Noble Quran, 19:85)"
> >
> > "Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to
Moses):
> > My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth. (The Noble
Quran,
> > 21:105)"
> >
> > The above Noble Verses are crystal clear about the
word "righteous"
> > referring to both men and women. The Paradise and Great Reward
that Allah
> > Almighty promised and prepared for the "righteous" is indeed
meant for
> > both men and women.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lesbians in Paradise? Will a believing single woman have a male
or female
> > spouse in Paradise?
> >
> > This is the section where the Christian "Answering Islam" team is
clearly
> > wrong in. They claim that since Allah Almighty called both men
and women
> > "righteous" in the Noble Verses above, and promised them to be
joined
> > together as "companions" as shown Noble Verses below, and didn't
specify
> > that men will be joined with women only, then He the Almighty
meant that
> > He will mix both genders together and allow them to have sexual
> > relationships together as Gays and Lesbians. This conclusion
from that
> > bogus team is plain dumb! No woman will be a Lesbian, and no man
will be
> > a Gay in Paradise. Let us look at the following Noble Verses
that the
> > Christian "Answering Islam" team had used:
> >
> > "Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Youths
(handsome) as
> > Pearls well-guarded. (The Noble Quran, 52:24)" "...Youths
(handsome)..."
> > is written in Arabic as "gilma-nun llahum". Gilma-nun literally
means
> > young males. This Noble Verse is talking about young male
servants whom
> > Allah Almighty Created for the service of the Believers in
Paradise.
> >
> > "Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness),
(The
> > Noble Quran, 56:17)" "...youths of..." is written in Arabic this
time as
> > "wil-daa-nun", which literally means young boys. This Noble
Verse is
> > again talking about young male servants whom Allah Almighty
Created for
> > the service of the Believers in Paradise.
> >
> > "And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual
(freshness): If
> > thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls. (The
Noble
> > Quran, 76:19)" "youths of..." uses the same exact word in Noble
Verse
> > 56:17.
> >
> > "And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before
their Lord's
> > (tribunal) and had restrained (their) soul from lower desires,
Their abode
> > will be the Garden. (The Noble Quran, 79:40-41)" "...Their abode
will be
> > the Garden." is written in Arabic as "fa-inna al-jannata hiya al-
ma'wa".
> > This is a correct translation. However, it doesn't show anywhere
of same
> > genders having sex with each others.
> >
> > "They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged
in ranks;
> > and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and
lustrous
> > eyes. (The Noble Quran, 52:20)" "We shall join them to
Companions..." is
> > written in Arabic as "wa-zawwaj-naahum bi-hoori-aayn". The
English
> > translation is not quite accurate for this Noble Verse. The
Arabic word
> > "wa-zawwaj-naahum" means to have them marry or get
married. "join them
> > to Companions" is not really accurate, because it doesn't
necessarily mean
> > that they would get married if they were "Companions".
> >
> > Very Important Note: It is very important to know that the Arabic
Noble
> > Quran is referring to marriage in this Noble Verse, because
marriage in
> > Islam is NOT FOR THE SAME GENDERS. Males can not marry males in
Islam.
> > The same applies for females. So when Allah Almighty used the
word
> > "Wa-Zawwaj-naahum", which is derived from the Arabic word "zawaaj
> > (marriage)", He the Almighty clearly meant to enjoin males and
females
> > into marriage, and not to mix the males and females together and
have them
> > pick and choose their sexual mates, even if they were the same
gender.
> > Let us look at Noble Verse 44:54 "Moreover, We shall Join them to
> > Companions With beautiful, big, And lustrous eyes." The same
word for
> > "...join them to Companions..." is used in Noble Verse 52:20.
> >
> > As for those whom the believers would marry, "...With beautiful,
big, And
> > lustrous eyes...", it is written in Arabic as "bi hoori-aayn".
This same
> > word was used for Jesus' (peace be upon him) disciples (al-
hawariyyun as
> > plural......hur or huri or houri as singular), which both (al-
hawariyyun)
> > and (hoori-aayn) are both derived from the Arabic word "hoor"
or "howr",
> > or "hur".
> >
> > The following comment regarding Noble Verses 52:20 and 44:54 was
taken
> > from the foot notes of the Noble Quran that was translated by
Minister
> > (Sheikh) Abdullah Yusuf Ali; may Allah Almighty rest his soul and
make
> > Paradise his ultimate destiny: "Hur implies the following ideas:
(1)
> > purity; possibly the word Hawariyun, as applied to the first
Disciples of
> > Jesus, is connected with this root; (2) beauty, especially of
eyes, where
> > the intense white of the eyeballs stands out against the intense
black of
> > the pupil, thus giving the appearance of lustre, and intense
feeling: as
> > opposed to dullness or want of expression; and (3) truth and good
will."
> >
> > The word "hur" which Jesus' male disciples and the companions of
believers
> > in Paradise were given names that were derived from it quite
clearly is
> > referring to both males and females. This means that the winners
of
> > Paradise will have their suitable gender of "hoori-aayn"
depending on
> > their gender.
> >
> > So when Allah Almighty promised companions to the believers in
Paradise,
> > He quite clearly and obviously promised female companions for the
males
> > and male companions for the females.
> >
> > Important Note: In Arabic, plurals and pronouns are derived from
root
> > words. In the case of "Quran" for instance as in "Noble Quran",
it is
> > derived from the root word "Iqra" which means read. "Qara"
means "past of
> > read", "Quran" means "The read". It could also mean "The
Revealed" since
> > the word "Qara" could also mean "Read to him/her" as in "Qara
alaihi or
> > Qara lahu", which means "Read to him".
> >
> > Another example to take is "Kitab" which means "Book". It is
derived from
> > the root word "yaktub" which means "write". "kitaba"
means "writing".
> > "kataba" means "wrote". So "kitab" means the "The written".
> >
> > In the case of the word "hawariyyun", which is the word Allah
Almighty
> > called Jesus' disciples peace be upon them, it is derived from
the root
> > word "hur". So in the case of Jesus' disciples peace be upon
them, Allah
> > Almighty respected them by calling them "hawariyyun", which is
plural of
> > "huri", which is derived from the root word "hur" which means a
very
> > beautiful human-creation of Allah Almighty. So the word "hur"
or "huri"
> > in the Noble Quran and Arabic can refer to either a male or
female and NOT
> > JUST FEMALES ALONE, thus making the hoori-aayn or huri-aayn of
Paradise be
> > either males huri-aayn or females huri-aayn, because "huri-aayn"
is
> > derived from the root word "hur".
> >
> > Another Important Note: In the section below, you will see proof
that a
> > woman can only have one husband. A woman can't have multiple
husbands.
> > Only the man can have multiple wives.
> >
> >
> >
> > So what about the married (here on earth) believing men and women?
> >
> > First of all, we have to understand that when Allah Almighty
created us,
> > He created us so we can live in pairs (husbands and wives) in
harmony and
> > peace for ever. "And among His Signs is this, that He created
for you
> > mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity
with them,
> > and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in
that are
> > Signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran, 30:21)"
> >
> > The righteous husbands and wives would live in harmony, peace and
love not
> > only here on earth, but also in Paradise as well; "Enter ye the
Garden, ye
> > and your wives, in (beauty and) rejoicing. (The Noble Quran,
43:70)"
> >
> > Allah Almighty from His very first Creation of Mankind meant to
create us
> > to live in pairs (husbands and wives) in peace and harmony; "We
said: 'O
> > Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the
bountiful
> > things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this
tree, or
> > ye run into harm and transgression.' (The Noble Quran, 2:35)"
This GOD
> > Almighty's System will be implemented in Heaven for the believers
as we
> > saw in Noble Verse 43:70 above.
> >
> > Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said
regarding
> > women in Paradise:
> >
> > "This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira
through
> > another chain of transmitters that Allah's Messenger (may peace
be upon
> > him) said: The (members of the) first group which would get into
Paradise
> > will have their faces as bright as stars in the sky. They would
neither
> > pass water, nor void excrement, nor will they suffer from
catarrh, nor
> > will they spit, and their combs would be made of gold, and their
sweat
> > will be musk, the fuel of their brazier will be aloes, and their
wives
> > will be large-eyed maidens and their form would be alike as one
single
> > person after the form of their father (Adam) sixty cubits tall.
> > (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 40, The Book Pertaining to
Paradise,
> > Its Description, Its Bounties and Its Intimates (Kitab Al-Jannat
wa Sifat
> > Na'imiha wa Ahliha), Number 6795)"
> >
> > Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal: "The Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him) said:
> > if anyone suppresses anger when he is in a position to give vent
to it,
> > Allah, the Exalted, will call him on the Day of Resurrection over
the
> > heads of all creatures, and ask him to choose any of the bright
and large
> > eyed maidens he wishes. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 41, General
Behavior
> > (Kitab Al-Adab), Number 4759)"
> >
> > The above two Sayings (Hadiths) of our beloved Prophet Muhammad
peace be
> > upon him tell us that:
> >
> > 1- The believing wives of the believing husbands will be as
beautiful as
> > the maidens or houris in Heaven, and they will be large-eyed
maidens for
> > their husbands.
> >
> > 2- The man can choose from any maidens he desires.
> >
> > 3- The single believing men and women who get admitted to
Paradise can
> > marry and live happily in Paradise since there will be "husbands"
and
> > "wives". See Noble Verses 52:20 and 44:54 and the
comments/analysis
> > about them above.
> >
> > 4- A man can have wives and maidens. A woman can have only one
husband.
> > The maidens for the man will be of equal age and are never
touched or seen
> > by any man or jinn. Let us look at the following Noble Verses
from the
> > Noble Quran:
> >
> > "So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We
grant
> > you, except in Punishment. Verily for the Righteous there will
be a
> > fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and
grapevines;
> > Companions of equal age; (The Noble Quran, 78:30-33)"
> >
> > "...Of the Gardens will be Near....In them will be (Maidens),
chaste,
> > restraining their glances, whom no Man or Jinn before them has
touched.
> > (The Noble Quran, 55:54, 56)"
> >
> > Here we clearly see that Allah Almighty prepared maidens of equal
age and
> > who were never touched by Jinn or Man for the believing men.
> >
> >
> >
> > In Paradise everyone (men and women) will live happily:
> >
> > Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:
> >
> > "Verily the Companions of the Garden shall that Day have joy in
all that
> > they do; (The Noble Quran, 36:55)"
> >
> > "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are
promised: in it
> > are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the
taste never
> > changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of
honey
> > pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and
Grace
> > from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as
shall
> > dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling
water, so that
> > it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)? (The Noble Quran, 47:15)"
> >
> > "As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for
their
> > entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise, (The Noble Quran,
18:107)"
> >
> > "And those who feared their Lord will be led to the Garden in
crowds:
> > until behold, they arrive there; its gates will be opened; and
its keepers
> > will say: 'Peace be upon you! well have ye done! enter ye here,
to dwell
> > therein.' (The Noble Quran, 39:73)"
> >
> > "They will say: 'Praise be to God, Who has truly fulfilled His
Promise to
> > us, and has given us (this) land in heritage: We can dwell in the
Garden
> > as we will: how excellent a reward for those who work
(righteousness)!'
> > (The Noble Quran, 39:74)"
> >
> > "But those who have faith and work righteousness, they are
companions of
> > the Garden: Therein shall they abide (For ever). (The Noble
Quran, 2:82)"
> >
> > "Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a
Garden
> > whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the
earth,
> > prepared for the righteous, (The Noble Quran, 3:133)"
> >
> > "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of
Judgment
> > shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far
from the
> > Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of
Life):
> > For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of
deception. (The
> > Noble Quran, 3:185)"
> >
> > There are many more Noble Verses that elaborate on the Great
Reward and
> > Joy that the Believers (men and women) will have in Heaven, but I
think
> > the above Noble Verses are good enough to prove my point.
> >
> >
> >
> > How come women in Islam can't have multiple husbands if they are
equal to
> > men?
> >
> > This is one of the things that I personally can't speak on behalf
of GOD
> > Almighty. I can't ALWAYS tell you why or why not He chose to do
certain
> > things. But throughout His Noble Revelations that started from
the time
> > of Adam all the way to Muhammad peace be upon them, polygany or
polygamy
> > (man having multiple women) is allowed (although it is highly
discouraged
> > to a point where it is almost prohibited in Islam to most men),
where
> > polyandry (woman having multiple husbands) had always been
forbidden!
> >
> > Note: The word "polygamy" in the past used to mean men and women
marrying
> > multiple husbands and wives, meaning that the man would have
multiple
> > wives and each of his wives would have multiple husbands. But
today, the
> > word had been modified to mean "man having multiple wives" only.
At
> > least, this is what I meant it to mean in this article.
> >
> > As far as women being equal to men in Islam, well, please visit
Women in
> > Islam V.S. Christianity to see the many proofs that women are
indeed equal
> > to men in Islam and hold a very dear, respectful and honorable
place in
> > Islam, and how women on the other hand are nothing but "sex
objects" who
> > have no value in Christianity. Islam came to liberate and free
women and
> > put them on the highest ranks of honor. I provided quotes and
proofs from
> > both the Noble Quran, and the Bible's Old and New Testaments.
> >
> >
> >
> > Further additions and explanations from Muslims:
> >
> > The following addition was sent to me by brother Rizan Bin
Noordin; may
> > Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
> >
> > Regarding the above-said article, I believe the answering-Islam
team are
> > mixing their views of Heaven with what they find here on Earth.
In the
> > Qur'an it is said:
> >
> > "And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive
> > instruction." - surah adh-Dhariyat 51:49.
> >
> > and
> >
> > "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from
among
> > yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He
has put
> > love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs
for those
> > who reflect." - surah ar-Room 30:21.
> >
> > Thus it is clear that for men there are women and vic versa. The
ideas of
> > gayism or lesbianism are not from the commands of Allah, but from
the
> > whisperings of syaitaan.
> >
> > "And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit
> > lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before
you. Do ye
> > indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise
wickedness
> > (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this:
they
> > said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth. He
said: "O
> > my Lord! help Thou me against people who do mischief!" When Our
Messengers
> > came to Abraham with the good news, they said: "We are indeed
going to
> > destroy the people of this township: for truly they are (addicted
to)
> > crime."" - surah al-Ankabut 29:28-31.
> >
> > "Those of you who turned back on the day the two hosts Met,-it
was Satan
> > who caused them to fail, because of some (evil) they had done.
But Allah
> > Has blotted out (their fault): For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most
> > Forbearing." - surah al-Imran 3:155.
> >
> > "From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws
(after his
> > whisper),- (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,-" -
surah
> > an-Nas 114:4-5.
> >
> > There cannot be any whisperings or evil in heaven. Thus the
essential
> > force that pushes men and women towards the revolting acts are
removed.
> > The Earthbound idea of having relations with servants, or with
people of
> > the same sex are no longer in the equation of human tendencies.
Our minds
> > will be free of such thought, thus the answering-Islam team's
allegations
> > that there will be the base desires in Heaven is absurd. It is
clearly
> > revealed in surah al-Jinn.
> >
> > "'And we[the jinn] pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found
it
> > filled with stern guards and flaming fire." - surah al-Jinn 72:8.
> >
> > So I believe the initial argument from the answering-Islam team
is already
> > wrong. They are arguing semantics while throwing out the
essential message
> > of the whole Qur'an.
> >
> > "O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into
> > unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with
their lips
> > but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who
will
> > listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so
much as
> > come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and
places:
> > they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If
any
> > one's trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the
least for
> > him against Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify
their
> > hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the
Hereafter a
> > heavy punishment." - surah al-Maaidah 5:41.
> >
> > That is all from me brother Osama. I hope however little my
efforts, I
> > have helped in your cause. Please carry on your noble efforts in
the
> > spirit of Islam. I hope Allah protect us from speaking untruth
and shelter
> > us from the lies of those with an agenda against His teachings,
> > InsyaAllah.
> >
> > Allah Ma'ak.
> >
> > rm_danardono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>>>jadi lu bener nggak sedikitpun terbersit keinginan nakal untuk
> > tidur dengan banyak/berbagai wanita cantik? kalau begitu lu orang
> > hebat..... orang pilihan<<<<<
> >
> >
> > wahhh...nggak adil nihhh, gimana dengan wanita2 kita yang mimpi
tidur
> > dengan laki2 ganteng ala Tom Cruise dll? Masak laki2 melulu yang
> > boleh mimpi indah?....disurga katanya ditunggu bidadari yang
perawan2
> > terus...lah yang wanita saleh ditunggu siapa? masak iya ditunggu
> > Mullah2 yang sudah meninggal?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Suhiro wrote:
> >>
> >> siapa bilang poligami urusan horisontal saja...disitu ada
tanggung
> > jawab
> >> kepada TUhan.....
> >> lagian, umat yang meyakini poligami atau hukum poligami itu dari
> > tuhan
> >> sehingga hanya bisa dipake logika Tuhan, bukan logika manusia,
> > walaupun
> >> ada yang tidak, yaitu yang percaya tidk ada hukum Tuhan.
> >>
> >> jadi kalo urusan vertikal boleh pake logika Allah, horisontal
tidak
> >>
> >> kawin Mut'ah...boleh-boleh saja kalo mau mengambil hukum itu,
islam
> > syiah
> >> katanya membolehkan
> >>
> >> jadi lu bener nggak sedikitpun terbersit keinginan nakal untuk
tidur
> >> dengan banyak/berbagai wanita cantik?
> >>
> >> kalau begitu lu orang hebat..... orang pilihan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, jksutan wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > logika Allah mengatur urusan vertikal
> >> >
> >> > poligami itu urusan horisontal yaitu manusia dgn manusia lain
> >> >
> >> > achh gimana pula kau ini BAH!
> >> >
> >> > kenapa kawin mutah tak kau imani saja sekalian...? itu baru
> > wuenak
> >> > tenan...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Suhiro wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > bagaimana kalo Logika Allah dipake dalam kasus poligami ini?
> >> > > juga iman seperti kata Bung Fisdens,
> >> > >
> >> > > kalau pake keduanya kan tidak ada masalah lagi to?
> >> > >
> >> > > iman dan logika Allah pernah saya baca di sejarah Tuhan,
sewaktu
> >> > > ditanyakan,"
> >> > > Dimanakah Tuhan Bapa sewaktu Yesus disalib, diman juga Roh
> > Kudus,
> >> > > apa TUhan Bapa dan Roh Kudus ikut di salib?
> >> > > kalau ikut disalib dan mati, siapa yang mengatur alam semesta
> > pada
> >> > waktu
> >> > > itu?
> >> > > bagaimana yang berbeda bisa berada di tempat dan waktu yang
> > sama?
> >> > >
> >> > > itu hanya bisa dijawab dengan IMAN
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Fidens Simanjuntak wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dear Nizami,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Maaf bung Fidens,
> >> > > > > Ini logika orang awam ya,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Tidak apa-apa mbak Nizami. Saya juga dulu sering bertanya-
> > tanya
> >> > dengan
> >> > > > memakai logika orang awam. Dari situ iman saya berkembang.
> > Tapi,
> >> > dari
> >> > > > pengalaman saya, logika "orang-orang awam" itu tidak
sanggup
> >> > > > mengikuti/memahami logika Allah.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Jika Allah melarang Abraham dan Yakob berpoligami,
bukankah
> >> > Allah akan menegur langsung pada saat itu juga (mis pada surat
> >> > Kejadian/Raja2)? Lagi pula Abraham dan Yakob itu setahu saya
> > adalah
> >> > Nabi.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Saya tidak tahu apakah ada ayat yang menunjukkan bahwa
Allah
> >> > menegur
> >> > > > nabi-nabinya karena polygamy. Tapi ada ayat-ayat lain
dimana
> >> > Allah
> >> > > > menegur nabi-nabinya, misalnya
> >> > > > Musa ditegur karena tidak menuruti perintah Allah -->
> > akibatnya
> >> > Musa
> >> > > > tidak bisa masuk ke tanah perjanjian. Daud, ditegur sewaktu
> > dia
> >> > > > melakukan perzinahan.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Kalau saya boleh memakai logika orang awam juga, pada saat
> > Allah
> >> > itu
> >> > > > punya rencana penyelamatan yang besar dalam diri Yesus.
Allah
> >> > ingin
> >> > > > menyelamatkan seluruh orang, bukan hanya nabi-nabinya.
Allah
> > itu
> >> > BIG
> >> > > > BOSS kita manusia. Adakah seorang BOSS perusahaan
> > multinasional
> >> > yang
> >> > > > sedang merencanakan investasi besar-besaran ke seluruh
> > pelosok
> >> > dunia,
> >> > > > mengurusi hutang tukang sapu gedung kantor cabang
> > perusahaannya
> >> > di
> >> > > > Pulo Gadung, tiap kali si tukang sapu nunggak kredit ?? Ini
> >> > contoh
> >> > > > saja.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Coba mbak Nizami lihat Kejadian 2:24
> >> > > > "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and
> > be
> >> > united
> >> > > > to his wife, and they will become one flesh. "
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Orang yang menikah akan jadi "ONE FLESH", satu daging.
Kalau
> >> > begini,
> >> > > > apakah polygamy tidak mengacau-balaukan rencana Allah ??
> >> > Jawabannya
> >> > > > saya kembalikan pada mbak Nizami sendiri.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Jika larangan itu diturunkan pada surat Korintus, apakah
> > tidak
> >> > terlambat? Setahu saya Korintus itu turun pada zaman
> > Paulus/Yesus.
> >> > Sementara antara Abraham dan Yakob dengan Yesus/Paulus ada
> > rentang
> >> > waktu ribuan tahun.
> >> > > > > Jadi jika larangan itu diturunkan terlambat, bagaimana
> > nasib
> >> > Abraham dan Yakob? Masuk neraka?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Tidak terlambat, karena sudah ada ayat di Kejadian 2:24
tadi.
> >> > Kenapa
> >> > > > mereka polygamy ? Karena kurang percaya pada Tuhan Allah.
> > Abraham
> >> > > > menikahi pelayannya karena ingin punya anak dan karena
> > Istrinya
> >> > sudah
> >> > > > mulai tua, yang menurut logika dia, sudah tidak mungkin
> >> > melahirkan.
> >> > > > Tuhan Allah sudah menjanjikan bahwa keturunannya akan
banyak
> >> > seperti
> >> > > > bintang-bintang di langit.Tapi dia mulai ragu, dan akhirnya
> > patah
> >> > > > imannya.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Nasib Abraham dan Yakob ?! Saya yakin mereka diterima di
> > Surga
> >> > meski
> >> > > > mereka berdosa.
> >> > > > Masak sih Abraham, yang dijanjikan Tuhan Allah menjadi
bapak
> >> > segala
> >> > > > bangsa, masuk neraka.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sebelum Kristus, manusia diberikan Hukum-Hukum, Larangan-
> >> > Larangan agar
> >> > > > mengetahui mana yang baik dan mana yang benar. Setelah
> > Kristus
> >> > datang,
> >> > > > kita cukup percaya pada-Nya dan menerimanya sebagai
> > juruselamat
> >> > agar
> >> > > > diselamatkan. Kekristenan bukanlah agama, tapi hubungan
> > pribadi
> >> > antara
> >> > > > seorang manusia dengan Yesus Kristus. Seorang Kristen
adalah
> >> > seorang
> >> > > > yang memiliki hubungan pribadi ini.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Dari surat Korintus itu, saya lihat sebaiknya tidak
> >> > menikah...:)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ya. Itu yang terbaik. Seperti pastor-pastor di gereja
> > Katolik,
> >> > kalau
> >> > > > saya boleh ambil contoh. Tapi berhubung saya manusia yang
> > lemah,
> >> > saya
> >> > > > akan menikah :-).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Salam,
> >> > > >
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