dan di Tibet, rohaniwan topnya sudah lari karena ditindas China Komunis.
rm_danardono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Masih ada,mas, negara2 yang theokratis: Tibet.. Disana yang kuasa para rohaniwan, kalau kita tiru, ya nanti mullah yang menguasai negara.. RMD H --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: > > > > > Fr�n: "Carla Annamarie" > > Datum: 2004/11/02 Tue AM 01:32:38 CET > > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > �mne: Re: [ppiindia] Amerika = Negara Krsiten ? > > > > > Banyak orang belum mengerti pentingnya urusan agama adalah terpisah dari urusan negara. Teokratik sistem negara itu sampai abad pertengahan, lalu mengalami kemunduran, karena tidak bisa menyesuaikan diri dengan roda putaran kemajuan pemikiran ilmu dan teknologi maka negeri-negeri di Europa meninggalkan sistem tsb, hanya satu-satu negeri yang masih ada ialah Vatikan dengan paus sebagai kepala negara. > > > > > > > america memang bukan negara agama, tp negara america berdiri or founded by > > sekelompok org kristen puritan, makanya kalo dilihat dr dasar- dasar > > philosophy negaranya bnyk terkandung ajaran kristen. > > kalo dilihat sejarahnya, america adalah negara religious, tp dgn > > perkembangan jaman bnyk perubahan, sejak adanya amandemen pemisahan state > > affairs from religious affairs. > > > > > > > > partogi samosir > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ahoo.com> cc: > > Subject: [ppiindia] Amerika = Negara Krsiten ? > > 11/01/2004 07:44 > > PM > > Please respond to > > ppiindia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > Sikap gereja di Amerika (yang mengesahkan pernikahan sesama jenis dan > > melantik seorang Gay menjadi pendeta) semakin menyadarkan kita bahwa > > Amerika bukan negara Kristen. > > Semua aksi dan policy Amerika bukan untuk kepentingan Kekristenan, tapi > > untuk kepentingan Amerika sendiri. > > togi > > > > dicky riyadi wrote: > > > > Africans: Pro-Gay U.S. Church Follows New Religion > > > > Fri Oct 29,11:22 AM ET > > Top Stories - Reuters > > By Dino Mahtani > > LAGOS (Reuters) - African bishops representing a majority of the world's > > Anglicans said on Friday North American sections that embrace homosexuality > > should be seen as following a different religion. > > > > The statement by top Anglican clerics at a landmark conference in Nigeria > > to determine their future marked a growing separation between conservatives > > and liberals in the 70-million strong church. > > > > The bishops told their North American counterparts to repent and ask for > > forgiveness for approving same-sex marriages and consecrating Gene > > Robinson, a divorced homosexual and father of two, as a bishop. > > > > "Failure to do so would indicate that they have chosen to 'walk alone' and > > follow another religion," said the statement issued by the senior clerics > > from across the continent. > > > > A report earlier this month by senior Anglican clergy urged North American > > congregations to ban same-sex marriages and the ordination of gay clergy, > > but stepped back from an outright condemnation of gays in a bid to > > reconcile the divisions. > > > > But African church leaders said it did not go far enough and accused the > > North American communions of subverting the faith and imposing a false > > doctrine. > > > > African bishops want their continent to become the new heartland of > > Anglicanism and Nigerian Primate Peter Akinola, Africa's top cleric, has > > said the Church of Nigeria aims to set up branches in the United States. > > > > Church leaders in Africa fear if Anglicanism fails to take a firm stance on > > homosexuality, its parishioners -- many of whom are traditionalists who > > cannot stomach the idea of gay bishops -- will desert it for evangelical > > churches or Islam. > > > > Earlier this week Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo -- a born- again > > Christian -- backed African bishops in rejecting homosexuality and called > > gay tendencies "unbiblical, unnatural and definitely un-African." > > > > The bishops gathered in Nigeria have said they would not be swayed in their > > rejection of ordaining gays by the lure of church funds from the liberal > > West, despite Africa receiving 70 percent of its funds mainly from America. > > > > > > But church leaders say the split between African bishops and their American > > counterparts is not so much a geographical division as a split between the > > liberal and conservative wings of the church. > > > > Already, conservatives in the same U.S. Episcopal Church that ordained > > Robinson have called his appointment "schismatic." 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