Richard & All,

I think at the end of the day the photographer must make as much effort
as possible to ensure their pictures are printed as well as possible.
Although it could be the printers fault, the photographer stands to lose
more and will not get more work off the back of the job if it does not
look very good.
I think the digital photographer must take time to a) find a few good
printing companies (litho & digital) that do understand colour
management and do tests with them to get to know the potential pitfalls
and b) to be prepared to do your own RGB to CMYK conversions when a job
requires working with a printers that you do not belive understand CM.

At then end of the day there is no point saying 'well they should
understand CM' if they don't. I use Adobe RGB or SRGB depending on how
the digital file starts out and convert to Euroscale Coated CMYK. I
still tweak the colours though in CMYK and don't just convert and hope.
Although I would rather embed RGB files and hope that they will somehow
look the same once printed, I would rather it be my fault the finished
result looks strange than someone elses. That way I can tweak my set-up
and get better each time.

I use a printing company called Waterside who are great. Although I send
them CMYK images, I have taken to sending them pre-conversion RGB proofs
off the 7600 as they can match them so well. They will happily tweak the
ink flows on the press to get the result as close as possible.

Nathan Gaydhani - photography and digital imaging

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Kenward
Sent: 03 February 2004 19:39

Dear Nathan

Good to hear comments from the other side of the screen so to speak, but

how is the poor old photographer to supply the correct file?  If when he

asks what CMYK file conversion suits them best, or can I have a profile 
of your press/paper or even proofer, only to be met at best with.... Oh 
just convert it in Photoshop!!   On being pressed many do not even seem 
aware that there ARE choices, and some gleefully respond Swop as if they

have really shown they know they are up to speed on this one!

Now as you of course know this is not generally the best conversion for 
use in the UK.  Here we tend to align ourselves with the European 
standards, and use positive film for plate making and less dot gain, 
whereas the US use neg. film and have more dot gain, so the Photoshop 
Euroscale options are generally a better bet.   It also does not take 
account of the possibility, quite likely that the job will be going CtP,

and may even be using a finer line screen than 150.

The 'classic' response of all time to my question of how would you like 
the files converted was.... send them by email!    Oh well it takes all 
sorts.

Cheers

Richard


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