Mike Russell wrote:

> At 12:33 pm +0200 11/8/04, Thomas Holm / Pixl wrote:
>> There is no way to build a profile from RAW (mosaic) data - it can only be
>> accomplished on a processed file. That goes for all profileres i know of.
> 
> So what's going on when you you shoot the Macbeth
> chart with a Sinarback? We've created something
> (presumably not a profile) for the camera under
> flash and tungsten conditions, and we choose the
> appropriate one before we start shooting.

That's a calibration. The image data is then adjusted into a form where
assigning an sRGB profile will make the image look pleasing. (in the newer
version it's a bit more complicated, but it's still not a profile).
> 
> Then we export (process) those mosaic files into
> TIFF files, choosing at that time which colour
> space (sRGB, aRGB) is appropriate for the job.

Actually, Mike you can't access the mosaic files on a Sinar (to the best of
my knowledge).
> 
> If that first process is camera calibration, then
> I'm pretty happy with that

It is.

>- it means for example
> I can get my two Sinarbacks to interpret the
> world in the same way, and I can shoot, say, a
> roomset on one, take a cushion to the other for a
> close up, and get them looking the same colour.

Yes.
> 
> If I could use inCamera product to bring my
> FujiS2 inline (I don't know what the proper term
> is here) then I'd say that was a massive step
> forward.

You can use inCamera to build a profile, but chances youi'll get it to match
your Sinar cameras are less than slim.

If however, when you have access to a working version of CaptureShop v5. And
you use the new Gretag Macbeth camera module, you can not only get the Fuji
inline you can get something that will almost appear identical. And you have
the option of choosing the "look" you prefer for all the cameras...
> 
> Is it the consensus however that inCamera, or
> Bruce Fraser's methods (using the same Macbeth
> checker) would not do this?

I seriously doubt it.


Best Regards,
Thomas Holm / Pixl Aps

- Photographer, Educator, Colour Management Consultant & Seminar speaker
- Remote Profiling Service (Output ICC profiles)
- www.pixl.dk � Email: th[AT]pixl.dk
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