Bill:

! Bob, I think we have ourselves a "you can't handle the truth" 
! situation.
! 
! Try this on: Washington has succumbed to a coup d'eta. Those people
! running this gov't - the neocon machine - they don't represent me,
and
! they don't represent the majority of Americans either. What they do
! represent is a philosophy that's far more like an affliction than
! anything approximating the heritage and spirit of America. Their
! mentality is contrary to American values. They are the worst 
! thing that
! could possibly have happened to this country. They are our worst
! nightmare. 

I was tempted in my response to Ed's post to use your hysterical rants
about the dreaded omnipotent neo-cons as a ProFox OT-specific case in
point, but I figured you'd quickly illustrate that for me, so I kept
my examples to the major sources of your (and others)
propaganda-inspired fears.

! 
! There it is. I doubt you'll agree, but I thought I'd tell you
anyway. 

It's clear the cynical campaign of fear, emnity and hate like the one
described by Ed's Calvin cartoon but funded by real "movers and
shakers" like George Soros has persuaded you believe the absolute
worst about  your fellow citizens.

I do not consider myself a neo-con, mainly because of my contrary
views on trade and global economics, but those views put me at odds
with the neo-liberals too, so I look at the neo-cons mostly sans the
"neo" because there is no other palatable way for me to view them.
Even then there is much to wince at (so much for fiscal
conservatism...).

Plus, I quite independently came to the conclusion that the Islamonazi
threat is real and the whack jobs who represent them are a greater
threat, yea, than even the Jew-loving neo-cons, having watched a few
videos of their handiwork and the carnage they wreak daily in Iraq,
Israel and wherever they happen to be, preaching their ideology of
hate, bigotry and destruction. At worst our neo-cons are guilty of
being deluded and misguided about their ability to pollinate democracy
across the globe, but their underlying motives are not "contrary to
American values". 

The argument that they are worse than the preachers of hate in the ME
who have turned it into such a hellhole and kept it that way for
centuries with their brutal theocratic and autocratic rule is, in my
opinion, a pretty distorted view of reality. They are a bunch of
policy wonks who, having been given a blank check to do what they
think is right, are finding the cause-effect graph they assumed was
inexorable has a bit more ply in it than they imagined previously.
Such is getting what you wish for. The ostensible "other side" may
soon get their opportunity, and I look forward to their hopes being
shattered too.

I also think you should be a little humbler about statements such as
"They are the worst thing that could possibly have happened to this
country." I'm frankly a little surprised that your imagination has
been so severely blunted by the propaganda you've internalized. I can
think of many things far worse. 

- Bob

! 
! 
! Bill
! 
! 
! 
! 
! > ! 
! > ! http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ch/1995/ch950707.gif
! > 
! > Actually it describes the approach of every party and 
! > partisan who ever stalked the planet, grubbing for votes. 
! > Even suggesting this is something unique to your "enemies," 
! > those rascally Republicans, shows a distinct lack of, well...
! > 
! > ...Integrity.
! > 
! > Or maybe you have missed all the "Bush is the #1 Terrorist in 
! > the world!" and "Karl Rove is shredding the Constitution with 
! > his own bare teeth!" bilge spewing from such fountains of 
! > objectivity, diversity and tolerance as MoveOn.org, 
! > commondreams.org, the Huffington Post and the DNC (and its 
! > media wing, the NYT)...? Hardly a plausible excuse, 
! > considering how often you and other sages on this list quote 
! > from them...
! > 
! > - Bob
! > 
! 
! 
! 
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