Charlie << If I understand it correctly, PETA was trying to implicate Australia as the perpetrator of the cruelty to the animals in the video. Or at least that somehow Australia is the 'bad guy' here. But it appeared to me the slaughterhouse footage was in ME ports (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc). >>
Both parties are responsible for the infliction of cruelty. Australia exports live animals to countries in the full knowledge they will be subjected to cruelty and suffering. They have a responsibility to only allow exports to countries which have at least similar slaughter regulations as themselves. Would you allow your pet to be looked after by a person who you knew had a history of animal cruelty? Of course not, and the same applies here. And the slaugher houses themselves are ultimately responsible for allowing such cruelty to go unchecked. << Go to the ME countries and do their demonstrations, etc. That is probably the best way to get results and get in the news for that matter. >> There is little point in demonstrating in the ME countries where the cruelty is inflicted. What would they achieve? Their protests would simply fall on deaf ears, as these countries just do not seem to understand that animals suffer pain. Instead, PETA have quite rightly (IMO) targeted the source of the problem. By putting pressure on the exporters to stop exporting to these countries, the slaugher houses in the ME will be forced to clean up their act. Appealing to their hearts will achieve nothing, hitting their wallets will. << I saw some of the back and forth about PETA being a terrorist organization. For me, that's probably too strong an accusation at this time. But it does appear PETA has very close associations with violent groups and people. >> PETA have *never* endorsed, encouraged or embraced any form of terrorist activity. I say this as a someone who has been a member for quite some time (and therefore far more likely to know what PETA stand for than an outsider who listens to innuendo and rumour). Do not listen to the cranks on this list who say otherwise. They know absolutely nothing about PETA, its aims, its research or its investigations (it's funny how the cranks who criticise you when you reference an internet site, will do just the same when trying to prop up their own infantile claims). PETA do a fantastic job of exposing animal cruelty in all its forms, including slaugher houses (as here), on fur farms, research labs etc. Regards Dominic Burford BSc Hons MBCS CITP Third Party Developer Program Senior Software Engineer * Tel: +44 (0) 1536 495074 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." -- Tony Hoare, Turing Award Lecture 1980 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Coleman Sent: 01 August 2006 19:33 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] ME slaughterhouses exposed as barbaric At 08:01 AM 8/1/2006 +0100, Dominic Burford wrote: ... > > >http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=live_transport3&int=weekl >y_enews > > > > > > Donate to PETA to help stop these barbaric practices. ... I watched the video in its entirety - but it didn't have my 'undivided attention' so maybe I missed some pieces. There were some very cruel things going on there. I worked in a meat processing plant during my high school days, so I know a little about this process. Of course, here in the US we have regulations on how animals are to be slaughtered, so what happens in the video doesn't happen here (at least I've never seen it). In some ways what they were doing was dumb. There are much quicker and more efficient ways to slaughter the animals while being more humane at the same time. But something puzzles me about what the video is trying to say/request. If I understand it correctly, PETA was trying to implicate Australia as the perpetrator of the cruelty to the animals in the video. Or at least that somehow Australia is the 'bad guy' here. But it appeared to me the slaughterhouse footage was in ME ports (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc). In other words, Australia ships the sheep and cows to ME countries. Then the last text of the video was either missing some words or just grammatically messed up. Basically the ending text is: "Contrary to government claims, Australia has no influence over countries that lack animal welfare standards. Please, don't support the Australian wool and sheep industries until this barbaric trade stops." So, does Australia claim it does have influence over other countries, but it doesn't? Or does the US government claim Australia has influence over other countries? Or is a word missing and they mean Australia is claiming they can't influence other countries, but they can? In any event, I think targeting Australia is the wrong approach. For one, I doubt Australia can't really control the countries it ships too. I guess maybe they could say "We won't give you our livestock unless you kill them more humanely." But to really back up such a statement would probably be impractical (put Australia livestock inspectors in every ME slaughterhouse? Would ME countries accept such a thing?). Basically, if PETA has a problem with what they are doing in ME slaughterhouses, they should be targeting the ME slaughterhouses. And maybe if the ME countries export the wool / leather from these slaughtered animals, PETA could attempt to get people to boycott those countries. Is PETA doing that? I saw some of the back and forth about PETA being a terrorist organization. For me, that's probably too strong an accusation at this time. But it does appear PETA has very close associations with violent groups and people. And, in general, a lot of the words and tactics of PETA certainly gives them an overtone of "terrorism" - e.g. saying things will be blown up, etc. If PETA would publicly condemn the various attacks made by the "lunatics", that would be one thing. But I don't believe they are "Al Quada" (sp?). Yet. For me, I don't agree with their beliefs, and I don't like their tactics. So, there's no way I'll be donating anything to PETA anytime soon. But my advice is free - and I advise them to go directly to their source of grief in this video. Go to the ME countries and do their demonstrations, etc. That is probably the best way to get results and get in the news for that matter. -Charlie _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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