Bill, you're missing several points: 1. These democratic senators told ya'll they would do what you wanted so that they could get elected because they know that ya'll will do nothing to get rid of them and because they are unaccountable. I don't blame ya'll however because republicans operate the same way. 2. Your senator stating that he was not told the truth. What hogwash. He is one of the most powerful people in america. If he wanted to know the truth, he would demand to see the info and make an informed decision himself, based on the facts. Again, you have another example of a politician wanting to get elected to be one of the most powerful people in the world and he's making excuses ? Fire his ass. I want to hear one of them say that I made that decision based on these facts and I'm standing by my vote. 3. As for your plan, you make the assumption that we all believe in this criminal theory. Myself and many others do not believe in your theory. That doesn’t make your theory bad, but it does mean that you would not get my vote.
I too agree with Cheney and bush in that I have not heard one plan that makes sense irregardless of their political associations. Its just that age old saying, if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. For what its worth, I don't disagree with some of your points and I'm willing to pull everybody out of iraq immediately IF these things are done: 1. We fire all of the CIA people and prohibit them from holding office in any agency that would allow them to meddle in foreign affairs. 2. We immediately pull all of our people out of every country that does not want us. 3. We make it a policy that we do not meddle in foreign affairs 4. We make it a policy that we do not attack anybody, but that we will defend ourselves vigorously if attacked, using everything we have at our disposal. 5. When our politicians and others start complaining that a foreign countrys dictator is killing his people, we refer them to rules 2, 3 and 4 and we abide by them. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Arnold Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:00 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan > Lets just say that we fall for this foolishness and we do it. > And while we're making mistakes, lets assume that a court finds that > they did nothing wrong . > > Whats next after this witch hunt ? > Do we go after bill arnold because we all were foolish enough to > follow him ? Virgil, if you read the article cited in that note, it says "Bush challenges war critics to offer own plan" and 'To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible,' he says http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16611409/from/RS.3/ Here - a quote from Cheney today: "They have absolutely nothing to offer in its place," Cheney said of Democratic leaders. "I have yet to hear a coherent policy from the Democratic side." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16624979/ This was the challenge to which I responded. If you've been following the "news", you'll see many references along these lines. It seems the Democrats won all those elections and now comprise a majority in Congress because they ran on what people wanted to be an anti-war platform, but it seems that now they have been elected, they are loathe to produce a plan. It's my position that the cornerstone of a workable plan involves holding those responsible for that invasion accountable. Of course we're not going to hear Cheney or his neocon pals saying "we should indict ourselves". > Somewhere the voice of reason needs to come into play. > People do something by making the best decision that they possibly can > with all the facts that they have at their disposal. We in turn do NOT > have access to the info that they used to make the decisions, no > matter what the media or the bill arnolds of the world would have you > believe. Will you listen to two Senators who had this to say today? "The most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam," said Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., a presidential aspirant and persistent war critic. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., until now a war supporter, said, "I have not been told the truth." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11442720/ Do you see the "I have not been told the truth" part? This is from a member of Congress, who would either have access to this crucial information that's been denied the public, or would at least be required to say "I know things that I can't talk about", but what he actually said is "I have not been told the truth". How big a leap of faith does it take to translate this as: "I've been lied to"? > Face it, until you've had to make the same decision that the person > made based on the same circumstances, then you can't even begin to > justify accusations like these. Bush challenged people for a plan, and I offered one. It may be the worst plan ever devised by anyone in the history of mankind, but it's what I believe we should do. Bill > Virgil Bierschwale [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
