At 09:33 AM 3/11/2008 +0000, Alan Bourke wrote: >MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > > I'd love to see a counterpoint to this, because I don't have the time to > > waste on it....but it sure sounds like a koolaid thingee.... > > >Well, if an appraisal of the facts as opposed to the FUD is a Kool-Aid >thing, then so be it! They don't necessarily have to have a sinister >motive all the time, they're perfectly able to make ill-considered >mistakes and assumptions like any other corporation.
Fair enough. However, would you consider that a repeated history of such "mistakes" (such as logging information without permission, etc) may actually point to perhaps a sinister motive? Or if not motive, perhaps inclination? And in any event, I don't remember the exact wording that started this spin-off of the thread, but I believe you said something like MS never made any forced an update on you. So are you agreeing that statement is incorrect? -Charlie PS. I think I missed an earlier message of yours regarding MS patches. One of my clients has about 400 PCs deployed in their building. They have a team of about 8 people whose sole purpose is to check out and verify the monthly patches from MS. This is pretty much their full-time job. So ya, hundreds of hours per patch are easily being spent by that client. At a school where I volunteer, there are about 50 or so PCs. The network admin doesn't have the time to evaluate every patch. So he tends to batch them up - and then only apply the critical security patches. Based on what I've helped with, it seems about 60% of the time there are problems. One time a patch took down the network. Took it down for 2 weeks. They had MS support on the phone for hours at a time. They even brought in an MS "engineer" (I think that's what he called himself). And then lastly, pretty much every patch rollout done seems to slow down the machines more and more. Some machines have become unusable and now the school has to spend money to update computers. This is a Win XP/Win2003 server network (oh yeah, there are a couple Win 2000 boxes on the network too - I forgot about those for a sec because they never have problems). So again, yep, that site is seeing hundreds of hours lost due to MS patches. So, it sounds like your experiences and mine are vastly different. I will say on my home network when I do updates, 90% of the time I don't have problems. But then I'm using mainly Win 2000 boxes and I have my own firewalls and I don't let any program communicate out of my network that I don't know about and know exactly what it's supposed to be doing. I get several "requests for Internet access" messages from various MS programs when I start up (especially the Win XP boxes). I block all of them. _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
