At 06:19 PM 9/24/2008 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote:
>Charlie Coleman wrote:
> > At 04:45 PM 9/24/2008 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote:
> > ...
> >> Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic
> >> school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is
>
> > Really? I hadn't heard that (we're talking about macro evolution, right?).
> > I think the only branch of science that currently "supports" macro
> > evolution is biology (not by evidence, but by by trying to show how things
> > "might" have evolved by looking at genetic similarities). Archeology and
> > mathematics do not currently support evolution.
>
>Hi Charlie!
>
>Macro and micro. When Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden they found -
>other people. Where did those other people come from if not from
>evolution? Either the "chosen people" or the evolved people are eligible
>for inclusion in the modern Church, needing only to believe.

Hmm. I don't think I've heard that interpretation of Gensis before. I'll 
have to ask around about it. I think the traditional interpretation is that 
girls were not listed in the birth records of Adam and Eve (old Hebrew 
practice). Or, I think I recall a discussion about Cain breeding with 
"Neanderthal-like" women. But even those were created by God, not "evolved" 
from dirt.

The problem I have is that evolution (macro) is currently not founded on 
sound science. Looking at the details of biology, the proponents say things 
like "...see this gene? it could have come from this other gene seen in 
this lower life form because the shape/function/chemical is similar..." but 
can't duplicate or even explain the process under controlled environments. 
Darwin himself expected the fossil record to be mostly filled in many 
decades ago - and to him, if it wasn't, he believed his own theory would be 
wrong. Then, in the area of probability theory, the chance of having what 
we have now through random events in genetics is so small (incredibly 
minuscule), mathematician laugh at the Theory of Evolution. Still, given 
all that, there is a strong undercurrent in the "scientific" community that 
if you raise a challenge to Evolution, you get chastised and ridiculed 
harshly (which is, in itself a bit odd... supposedly, science has "evolved" 
past the dark ages and should invite criticisms - not so in regards to 
Evolution).

I'm not saying that God could not have used Evolution, but based on what 
I've researched so far it looks like He did not.

-Charlie



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