At 12:08 PM 10/9/2009 -0400, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: >Stephen Russell wrote: > > I have worked with these "imports" for this past decade. Most have an > > incredible work ethic, unlike most Americans. > >Here we go again with that old broken record: "Americans are lazy, >foreigners work harder." <barf> > > > > > You read the xBase and you focus on that only. You have to see the > > bigger picture. Just like blue collar workers today have a hard time ... >No, you missed the point obviously. There was NO reference to xBase and >as such I didn't focus on that. It most certainly is not because we are >or aren't good enough...we definitely have the talent to get the job >done here....it's that we cost too much compared to the imported labor.
You probably shouldn't waste your time on Mr. Bad. In general, it seems to me his posts are meant as his own "soothing" exercise to convince himself that being an MS fan-boy is the right thing to do. I mean there really is no reason for him to keep posting to this list. Probably half or more of the stuff he says about VFP is "Bad" anyway so I'm pretty sure no one is listening to his on-topic VFP comments any more. But for entertainment value it is almost laughable to watch him croon about .Net when in reality we all know that in a few years it'll be "gone" (well, actually "morphed") to make sure money has to be paid to MS for the "next great thing." So, for some of us, he does provide a chuckle every now and then. I bet he's going to dress up as his hero, Steve Balmer, this Halloween. Hmmm.... but to be in true character, instead of asking for candy he'd have to extort it - maybe something like "You must give me 'x' candy for me to make sure your decorations are legal. If you don't, you can only put them up for 2 more Halloween seasons and then they will be confiscated." ;-) But anyway, as one of the "non-lazy" American (U.S.) developers - someone who actually evaluates a technology and lets the customer know all the ramifications of using it - in most cases grabbing the low-wage foreign worker does not pan out. In my experience I've dealt with (or been in close proximity to) about 12 of these folks. At this time, I know of only 2 of them that are still with the same job/employer. And basically, those that are gone left behind work that had to be re-written. You see, the low wagers will jump ship immediately when just a slightly higher wage offer is made. As for the low code quality, I don't blame it on their work ethic - it's more akin to communication skills. I also don't fault them for this - English is not their primary language - I can only imagine how I'd misconstrue complex requirement statements if presented to me in a foreign language. As to general work ethic, of the "foreign" folks that I dealt with, I'd say perhaps half of them were "lazy button-clickers." They didn't really understand what they were supposed to do and they would not put out extra effort to dig into things to find out. I'd say that percentage is roughly the same for the American workers I've dealt with. Perhaps one reason some people think they work harder than U.S. counterparts might be because they have to work a lot harder to just get the same basic understanding that a U.S. worker already has of the project. <shrug> My info is by no means exhaustive - I don't deal with a lot of companies that hire a lot of foreign labor. I do know a few people that do (some neighbors that take lots of trips overseas). When I talk to those guys, they say the set up was a mistake. It ended up costing a lot more than what they had projected with using an American (aka U.S.) work force. Granted the folks I talk to are Americans so I'm sure some bias is there. But, overall, it's the usual "story" - the short-term focus of most US businesses ends up causing long-term problems. -Charlie _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
