Publius Maximus wrote: >>> In Scripture it is written that one day every knee shall bow and every >>> mouth confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. (Philippians 2:10-11) >>> >>> >> LOL, are you being an apostate now Minimus? If that scripture is law and >> will happen no matter what, then it follows we have no free will (notice >> it says "every", I think that means "all"?). And "free will" of humans >> is part of doctrine, isn't it? (and now lads we'll see Minimus Dickus >> twisting his body and his mind in order to show us that a circle has got >> vertices! Don't miss this FANTASTIC show! It's only 1.99 dallahs!). >> > > Wow, I thought you understood more than you do, apparently. Free will > applies while we yet breathe. After that, judgment. That's when the > knees bow and tongues confess, as it were---yes all of them, yes many > of them (if not most of them) involuntarily. Even yours, tough guy. > > It's much better and more rewarding to do it freely before the big > weenie roast. ;) > Sorry, I'm pretty dumb you know. After you stop breathing there are two possible choices in the scenario you describe : a) You have no free will. Ergo you CANNOT bow your knees and confess FREELY. You are FORCED to do it. So after you die the dice are cast, there is no repentance possible, as you have NO free will. b) You have free will. So if you don't feel like it you don't bow. You can't have it both ways, so please, for a dumb hillbilly like me, which do you choose, 'a' or 'b'?
> The irony of free will is that your freedom is to surrender your will > to God, or not. So if I choose not to surrender my will to god I don't have to bow and confess? Or what is your definition of 'will'? > Everything else is pretty much deterministic. You will > either serve the flesh and its laws, or serve God in spirit and truth. > Of course, if you're a real disciple, you'll fail many times since the > willful surrender is a daily, constant decision with many > opportunities to foobar (Peter is a very heartening example---talk > about a serial screw up who triumphed eventually) You mean Peter Thiesen? He is STILL a serial screw up and a looser. > I will gladly admit, I screw up all the time, struggle much with the > basic concepts of being nice and loving even my enemies---it's all > very contrary to our natural inclinations--- and have no monopoly on > righteousness. I'll be lucky to be a toilet repair man in Heaven. :) > But at least I'm on the right side of eternity Unless god is a brit, in which case I'll be on the LEFT side of eternity and in a much better position. > , and occasionally hear > the still, small voice of He Who Build the World. Hope to see you > there, friend, should we never have an opportunity to meet in this > life. > Naaahhh.... All the gorgeous slutty chicks, good tv shows, roulette, poker, and fun will be on the other side. > It's up to you. Don't make the common egotistical mistake of thinking > you're somehow tougher than God or the devil. Free will, you bet. But > it will cost you total obedience, whichever way you go, whether you > realize to whom you are a slave, or not. Sorry, slavery is not for me. Not even to such exalted characters. I'm kind of a rebel, you see. So fuck god and fuck the devil, I'd rather stop existing than being a slave to any of them. I don't pretend to rule, but if someone must be on top of another then be certain it's my foot you are feeling on your neck. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
