On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Virgil Bierschwale <[email protected]> wrote: > For us to develop anything, we need to understand two things: > 1. How the business process flows from beginning to end (without computers) > when they receive raw materials and they are turned into finished goods, and ---------------------------------------- Wrong answer. That is the job description for the Business Analyist, not the Developer in orgs of the size and scope you are referring about.
> 2. How the business process flows from beginning to end (again without > computers) when they receive a order until it is shipped and also any > problems received after it has been sold. -------------------------- How could anyone work for a Millitary vendor? From your statements I woudl have to know EVERYTHING about this aircraft carrier top to bottom. I was hired for my radar skills. How does that HELP the engine repair team in what they are programming? > Until you understand these processes, you are only a bandaide installer in > my opinion, or down here in the south, a bailing wire fixer-upper.. --------------------- I would keep this POV to myself in all future interviews. You might find jobs more open to hiring you. > The reason I bring this up is because if a programmer is incompetent, it > actually is the team lead's or the managers fault because they are not doing > their job of being the mentor. --------------------------------- No not at all. If you cannot adapt in the tasks asked to do by your team in a go forward approach then you are a libility. Not saying you do this and they chage the request for you to do that and you are not proficcient with "that." > How many jobs have you been on where there might be 10 or even 50 developers > working on projects, but typically two of the superstars are doing the > majority of the work and the rest are only doing bits and pieces. ---------------------------------- Welcome to life. these superstars are the leaders. The DEFINE the flow of what is going to get done and create a great deal of the backbone for all operations to tie to. the other developers now have to provide the functionality for the tasks they have in front of them. > > This is because: > 1. The superstars won't or don't have the time to mentor the junior members, > and > 2. Job security for the superstars. -------------------------- Or they are the Architects in software and few can operate on that level. Many just code and don't want to take responsibility. > For those that are still with me, hopefully you realize that it is up to > you, the superstar or the team leader, or the manager to build or mold your > team so that they can have the skills that are necessary for your company to > be the superstar. -------------------------- Sorry but human interaction never works that way at work. I have to do X so that is all I am going to do. When you say that I have to do Y guess what, I'll do Y. But don't expect me to do Y before you want it. What if you never ask for Y, what if you ask for Z? I don't know Z so I will loook bad. > Professionals or not, just as there are good doctors and bad doctors and the > same for attorneys, no process will work correctly without the manager > working on the big picture and focusing on the details of making sure that > their team has all of the skills (programming, business, etc) necessary and > I've seen far too many managers that refuse to participate in the > development of their teams because they were worried that one of the > memembers would take their job. ---------------------------------- And we will all live happliy ever after. > I have always believed that if I teach you the skills so that you can take > my job, it frees me up to go to the next level. ----------------------- Unless they are from India. ;-> -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer CIMSgts 901.246-0159 cell _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
