I haven't been following this conversation, but it amazes me how 
everybody wants to blame the programmer.
The programmer reports to the manager.
If the manager is not doing their job mentoring the employee, it will 
show in their performance.

I know nobody agrees with me, but thats the way it is.
If somebody that works for you is not doing their job, it is because you 
are not doing a good job at training them, mentoring them and providing 
a methodology so that they will know how their peformance is in respect 
to what you expect of them.

 From my perspective, no project should even be allowed to get off the 
ground until you can walk through every phase of it in your mind and 
drive every nail in your mind.

On 4/21/2010 5:33 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> How do you think Access and VB got such great reputations as toys and
> not real programmers.  I've run into one or two .NET projects that
> really didn't work.
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Johnson
> [email protected]
> SanDC, Inc.
> 623-582-0323
> Fax 623-869-0675
>
> http://www.VetsFindingVets.org
>
> On 4/21/2010 3:21 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
>    
>> Ed Leafe wrote:
>>      
>>>     You remind me of the people who ran into a VFP app written by a 
>>> piss-poor developer, and then declares that all VFP apps are crap.
>>>        
>>
>> Unfortunately, there are tons of people like that.  That really seems to
>> have hurt VFP's image, imo.
>>
>>      
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