Read the first chapter of the book of James. It might illuminate a few things for you... or not.
Geoff Flight General Manager Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 8:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill You're a blowhard, you proved that fact with 800 posts about religion. Tell me where in the American Constitution that people are guaranteed health care? Show me in the Bible where Jesus said that Caesar owned him health care? Idiot. --- On Thu, 11/11/10, geoff <[email protected]> wrote: > From: geoff <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill > To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 1:28 AM > So how's that well-reasoned rebuttal > of my argument going? Is my > intellectual superiority so obvious that you arent even > going to give it a > try? > > Geoff Flight > General Manager > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > Of Michael Madigan > Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 4:56 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > > I think everybody should be given a Mercedes too. > > --- On Thu, 11/11/10, geoff <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From: geoff <[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > > To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 1:20 AM > > A) always good to hear the > > self-assured myopic opinion that ignores all > > voices it doesn't like. > > B) Funny that here in my city Americans come HERE > for > > the cranio-facial > > unit. Your health CAPACITY is not the question but > rather > > your unwillingness > > to give it to all. > > C) If you really want to think health care is not a > > basic right then there > > is not much one can say. I'm sure you are financially > > well-off. It oozes > > from your post. I wonder how Pete feels about that? > > > > Geoff Flight > > General Manager > > > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf > > Of Michael Oke, II > > Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 4:38 PM > > To: ProFox Email List > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > > Health Bill > > > > A) I reside in the US currently and find that those > that > > don't, haven't and > > have never been here have zero credibility, > politicians > > have even less. > > > > B) wrong yet again. Health care in the US is second > > to none and that is why > > you find foreign nationals traveling here for > > treatment. Conversely, > > Americans tend travel out of country to save money or > to > > seek treatments > > that have not been approved in the US. The health > > insurance industry on the > > other hand is usual not used as an example for other > > countries. > > > > C) are you unwilling or unable to explain how health > care > > is a basic right? > > I don't find it to be nor is it a requirement for > > life. By the way, people > > in the US are not turned away for life saving > treatment > > regardless of their > > ability to pay nor there legal status in the US. > > > > Are you sure that this is my country by the way? > > > > ::michael > > On Nov 10, 2010 9:25 PM, "geoff" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > A) I live outside the USA and listen to people > and > > their comments > > including > > > politicians > > > B) The USA health system is routinely held up as > a > > model of what NOT to > > do. > > > C) the fact you don't think health care is a > basic > > right says more than > > > anything else about how far your country has > slipped. > > > > > > Geoff Flight > > > General Manager > > > > > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > > > 58 Norrie Ave > > > Clovelly Park 5042 > > > P: +61 8 8277 6380 M: 0414 965 226 F: +61 8 8177 > 1290 > > W: www.srit.com.auE: > > > [email protected] > > > TAKE THE SURVEY! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/976V5JT > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf > > > Of Michael Oke, II > > > Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 3:49 PM > > > To: ProFox Email List > > > Subject: Re: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges > to > > Health Bill > > > > > > Please explain, if you can, how health care is a > basic > > right? > > > > > > And there is not nearly the scorn for the US > health > > care system as you > > > imagine or hope that there is. > > > > > > ::michael > > > On Nov 10, 2010 9:11 PM, "geoff" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On > > Behalf > > >> Of Nicholas Geti > > >> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 3:23 PM > > >> To: ProFox Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [OT] Serious legal challenges > to > > Health Bill > > >> > > >> Who cares about what the rest of the world > thinks. > > They know nothing > > about > > > > > >> the United States on any topic just as I > know > > nothing about Australia > > > except > > >> > > >> what I read in a few paragraphs on some > Internet > > news article a few times > > > a > > >> year. Nor do I care. > > >> > > >> YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD > AND > > THAT IS A FAIRLY TYPICAL > > >> AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE. > > >> > > >> There are a few who rant and rave about > conditions > > in the U.S. but don't > > >> live here and have no clue. I say they are > green > > with envy and have some > > >> kind of axe to grind about their own > condition. I > > am happy with our > > health > > > > > >> system. I have top-notch doctors who take > care of > > me just fine, thank > > you. > > >> > > >> AS IF TO PROVE MY POINT. ** YOU ** have good > > doctors. I know that > > > indulgent > > >> self-interest is a human condition, but do > you > > have to refine it so well? > > >> > > >> It always amazes me how people can blow off > how > > bad it is here and yet > > > there > > >> > > >> are 10 million illegals here who are taken > care of > > for free and more keep > > >> coming every day. I have mentioned in the > past how > > generous the U.S. has > > >> been over the years to all the world but you > just > > ignore it and pick out > > >> some pathetic comments by others who are far > from > > experts. > > >> > > >> DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT TO YOU? The > > illegals aren't coming from > > >> Canada but from mexico. It would be difficult > to > > find a more violent and > > >> more disgusting place to live than there. We > have > > a lot of illegals > > trying > > >> to get here too. Its not like you are the > only > > ones with that problem. > > And > > >> we acknowledge your country's generosity > many > > times, but it wears a bit > > > thin > > >> after a while when you nearly take the world > into > > a depression because of > > >> your own greed and staggering fiscal > > incompentence. > > >> > > >> We have not failed. Our stock market is > booming > > and soon will translate > > > into > > >> > > >> jobs. I am taking down $40,000 per month in > the > > stock market so I cannot > > >> complain. We have discussed at length what > caused > > our depression so I > > will > > > > > >> not repeat it here. > > >> > > >> WELL IT WOUDL SEEM THAT you are the only > > commentator talking about your > > >> booming economy. Your stock market is merely > > recovering lost ground. And > > >> again as if to prove the point **YOU** are > doing > > well so bugger the rest. > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "geoff" <[email protected]> > > >> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:29 PM > > >> Subject: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges > to > > Health Bill > > >> > > >> > > >>> Well it actually IS on the subject since > the > > subject was health care. > > You > > >>> would be amazed (and probably surprised) > at > > the level of scorn and > > > mocking > > >>> that is directed at the American health > system > > from virtually anywhere > > in > > >>> the first world. Health care is a basic > right > > given to all, well at > > least > > > > > >>> in > > >>> MOST first-world countries it is. And > many > > posters have in previous > > >>> threads > > >>> made significant comment on those who > 'dont > > deserve' health care. You > > > have > > >>> built an economy based on some fine > > principles, but the flip side of > > that > > >>> has brought you near depression and a > level of > > debt and financial > > > disaster > > >>> that is unparalleled. Good lessons there > to be > > learned and apparently > > > very > > >>> few of them have been. It seems a > uniquely > > American attitude to strive > > > for > > >>> the best - for me and mine. It works - > and > > works well - until you fail. > > >>> And > > >>> then you end up with no welfare, no food, > no > > health care and no hope. > > And > > >>> all of this is brought to you by the > nation > > with more billionaires than > > >>> the > > >>> rest of the planet combined. Your health > > debate is actually about FAR > > > MORE > > >>> than health. It is a litmus test on your > > national character. It > > describes > > >>> who you are and what your true national > > priorities are. And apparently > > > the > > >>> poor aren't one of them. By supporting > your > > poor - undeserving tho they > > >>> may > > >>> be - in real and genuine ways you may > discover > > a hidden resource in your > > >>> nation: compassion. > > >>> > > >>> Here's hoping. > > >>> > > >>> Geoff Flight > > >>> General Manager > > >>> > > >>> Sustainable Resources Industry Training > Pty > > Ltd > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On > > > Behalf > > >>> Of Nicholas Geti > > >>> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 12:47 > PM > > >>> To: ProFox Email List > > >>> Subject: Re: [OT] Serious legal > challenges to > > Health Bill > > >>> > > >>> Well, you certainly have made a leap here > and > > changed the subject. There > > >>> is > > >>> nothing about "deserving it" in any of > the > > debate. It is about the waste > > >>> involved and the 1000s of pages of rules > that > > no one understands. Also > > >>> about > > >>> > > >>> illegals coming in the U.S. to get free > care > > and busting the budgets of > > >>> many > > >>> > > >>> cities. > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "geoff" <[email protected]> > > >>> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:15 > PM > > >>> Subject: RE: [OT] Serious legal > challenges to > > Health Bill > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> It is quite amusing for us out here > > watching the so-called 'land of the > > >>>> free' and 'bastion of democracy' show > that > > its 'light on the hill' is > > >>>> slowly > > >>>> going out. The essential argument > against > > the health reforms is that > > >>>> people > > >>>> who 'don't deserve it' will get it. > Don't > > deserve health care? There is > > > a > > >>>> reason your country is going down > the > > toilet. It has been said that the > > >>>> true > > >>>> test of the character of a nation is > how > > it treats its poor and most > > >>>> vulnerable. The USA is the richest > nation > > on the planet yet has the > > >>>> highest > > >>>> rate of poverty outside the 3rd > world. The > > test of character is one > > that > > >>>> you > > >>>> have failed. > > >>>> > > >>>> And just for the record... we have > > universal health care and have > > mostly > > >>>> budget surpluses and little to no > govt > > debt. It CAN be done - but only > > > by > > >>>> people with the drive and compassion > to > > see it done. > > >>>> > > >>>> Geoff Flight > > >>>> General Manager > > >>>> > > >>>> Sustainable Resources Industry > Training > > Pty Ltd > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On > > >>>> Behalf > > >>>> Of Nicholas Geti > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 4:08 > AM > > >>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>> Subject: [OT] Serious legal > challenges to > > Health Bill > > >>>> > > >>>> A taxpayer voting for a Democrat is > like a > > chicken voting for Col. > > >>>> Sanders. > > >>>> Democrats are trying to say that > Supreme > > Court precedence permits > > > forcing > > >>>> taxpayers to buy something they > don't > > want. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > http://visiontoamerica.org/story/legal-challenge-could-derail-health-care-la > > >>>> w.html > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> --- StripMime Report -- processed > MIME > > parts --- > > >>>> multipart/alternative > > >>>> text/plain (text body -- kept) > > >>>> text/html > > >>>> --- [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. 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