No. No. Everyone should be given a house to live in. Oops we just tried that. It didn't work.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Madigan" <[email protected]> To: "ProFox Email List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:25 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill I think everybody should be given a Mercedes too. --- On Thu, 11/11/10, geoff <[email protected]> wrote: > From: geoff <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill > To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 1:20 AM > A) always good to hear the > self-assured myopic opinion that ignores all > voices it doesn't like. > B) Funny that here in my city Americans come HERE for > the cranio-facial > unit. Your health CAPACITY is not the question but rather > your unwillingness > to give it to all. > C) If you really want to think health care is not a > basic right then there > is not much one can say. I'm sure you are financially > well-off. It oozes > from your post. I wonder how Pete feels about that? > > Geoff Flight > General Manager > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > Of Michael Oke, II > Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 4:38 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: RE: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > > A) I reside in the US currently and find that those that > don't, haven't and > have never been here have zero credibility, politicians > have even less. > > B) wrong yet again. Health care in the US is second > to none and that is why > you find foreign nationals traveling here for > treatment. Conversely, > Americans tend travel out of country to save money or to > seek treatments > that have not been approved in the US. The health > insurance industry on the > other hand is usual not used as an example for other > countries. > > C) are you unwilling or unable to explain how health care > is a basic right? > I don't find it to be nor is it a requirement for > life. By the way, people > in the US are not turned away for life saving treatment > regardless of their > ability to pay nor there legal status in the US. > > Are you sure that this is my country by the way? > > ::michael > On Nov 10, 2010 9:25 PM, "geoff" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > A) I live outside the USA and listen to people and > their comments > including > > politicians > > B) The USA health system is routinely held up as a > model of what NOT to > do. > > C) the fact you don't think health care is a basic > right says more than > > anything else about how far your country has slipped. > > > > Geoff Flight > > General Manager > > > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > > 58 Norrie Ave > > Clovelly Park 5042 > > P: +61 8 8277 6380 M: 0414 965 226 F: +61 8 8177 1290 > W: www.srit.com.auE: > > [email protected] > > TAKE THE SURVEY! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/976V5JT > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > > Of Michael Oke, II > > Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 3:49 PM > > To: ProFox Email List > > Subject: Re: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > > > > Please explain, if you can, how health care is a basic > right? > > > > And there is not nearly the scorn for the US health > care system as you > > imagine or hope that there is. > > > > ::michael > > On Nov 10, 2010 9:11 PM, "geoff" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf > >> Of Nicholas Geti > >> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 3:23 PM > >> To: ProFox Email List > >> Subject: Re: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > >> > >> Who cares about what the rest of the world thinks. > They know nothing > about > > > >> the United States on any topic just as I know > nothing about Australia > > except > >> > >> what I read in a few paragraphs on some Internet > news article a few times > > a > >> year. Nor do I care. > >> > >> YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD AND > THAT IS A FAIRLY TYPICAL > >> AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE. > >> > >> There are a few who rant and rave about conditions > in the U.S. but don't > >> live here and have no clue. I say they are green > with envy and have some > >> kind of axe to grind about their own condition. I > am happy with our > health > > > >> system. I have top-notch doctors who take care of > me just fine, thank > you. > >> > >> AS IF TO PROVE MY POINT. ** YOU ** have good > doctors. I know that > > indulgent > >> self-interest is a human condition, but do you > have to refine it so well? > >> > >> It always amazes me how people can blow off how > bad it is here and yet > > there > >> > >> are 10 million illegals here who are taken care of > for free and more keep > >> coming every day. I have mentioned in the past how > generous the U.S. has > >> been over the years to all the world but you just > ignore it and pick out > >> some pathetic comments by others who are far from > experts. > >> > >> DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT TO YOU? The > illegals aren't coming from > >> Canada but from mexico. It would be difficult to > find a more violent and > >> more disgusting place to live than there. We have > a lot of illegals > trying > >> to get here too. Its not like you are the only > ones with that problem. > And > >> we acknowledge your country's generosity many > times, but it wears a bit > > thin > >> after a while when you nearly take the world into > a depression because of > >> your own greed and staggering fiscal > incompentence. > >> > >> We have not failed. Our stock market is booming > and soon will translate > > into > >> > >> jobs. I am taking down $40,000 per month in the > stock market so I cannot > >> complain. We have discussed at length what caused > our depression so I > will > > > >> not repeat it here. > >> > >> WELL IT WOUDL SEEM THAT you are the only > commentator talking about your > >> booming economy. Your stock market is merely > recovering lost ground. And > >> again as if to prove the point **YOU** are doing > well so bugger the rest. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "geoff" <[email protected]> > >> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:29 PM > >> Subject: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > >> > >> > >>> Well it actually IS on the subject since the > subject was health care. > You > >>> would be amazed (and probably surprised) at > the level of scorn and > > mocking > >>> that is directed at the American health system > from virtually anywhere > in > >>> the first world. Health care is a basic right > given to all, well at > least > > > >>> in > >>> MOST first-world countries it is. And many > posters have in previous > >>> threads > >>> made significant comment on those who 'dont > deserve' health care. You > > have > >>> built an economy based on some fine > principles, but the flip side of > that > >>> has brought you near depression and a level of > debt and financial > > disaster > >>> that is unparalleled. Good lessons there to be > learned and apparently > > very > >>> few of them have been. It seems a uniquely > American attitude to strive > > for > >>> the best - for me and mine. It works - and > works well - until you fail. > >>> And > >>> then you end up with no welfare, no food, no > health care and no hope. > And > >>> all of this is brought to you by the nation > with more billionaires than > >>> the > >>> rest of the planet combined. Your health > debate is actually about FAR > > MORE > >>> than health. It is a litmus test on your > national character. It > describes > >>> who you are and what your true national > priorities are. And apparently > > the > >>> poor aren't one of them. By supporting your > poor - undeserving tho they > >>> may > >>> be - in real and genuine ways you may discover > a hidden resource in your > >>> nation: compassion. > >>> > >>> Here's hoping. > >>> > >>> Geoff Flight > >>> General Manager > >>> > >>> Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty > Ltd > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > Behalf > >>> Of Nicholas Geti > >>> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 12:47 PM > >>> To: ProFox Email List > >>> Subject: Re: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > >>> > >>> Well, you certainly have made a leap here and > changed the subject. There > >>> is > >>> nothing about "deserving it" in any of the > debate. It is about the waste > >>> involved and the 1000s of pages of rules that > no one understands. Also > >>> about > >>> > >>> illegals coming in the U.S. to get free care > and busting the budgets of > >>> many > >>> > >>> cities. > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "geoff" <[email protected]> > >>> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:15 PM > >>> Subject: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > >>> > >>> > >>>> It is quite amusing for us out here > watching the so-called 'land of the > >>>> free' and 'bastion of democracy' show that > its 'light on the hill' is > >>>> slowly > >>>> going out. The essential argument against > the health reforms is that > >>>> people > >>>> who 'don't deserve it' will get it. Don't > deserve health care? There is > > a > >>>> reason your country is going down the > toilet. It has been said that the > >>>> true > >>>> test of the character of a nation is how > it treats its poor and most > >>>> vulnerable. The USA is the richest nation > on the planet yet has the > >>>> highest > >>>> rate of poverty outside the 3rd world. The > test of character is one > that > >>>> you > >>>> have failed. > >>>> > >>>> And just for the record... we have > universal health care and have > mostly > >>>> budget surpluses and little to no govt > debt. It CAN be done - but only > > by > >>>> people with the drive and compassion to > see it done. > >>>> > >>>> Geoff Flight > >>>> General Manager > >>>> > >>>> Sustainable Resources Industry Training > Pty Ltd > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On > >>>> Behalf > >>>> Of Nicholas Geti > >>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 4:08 AM > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: [OT] Serious legal challenges to > Health Bill > >>>> > >>>> A taxpayer voting for a Democrat is like a > chicken voting for Col. > >>>> Sanders. > >>>> Democrats are trying to say that Supreme > Court precedence permits > > forcing > >>>> taxpayers to buy something they don't > want. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > http://visiontoamerica.org/story/legal-challenge-could-derail-health-care-la > >>>> w.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME > parts --- > >>>> multipart/alternative > >>>> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >>>> text/html > >>>> --- > >>>> [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/35082d2f56c9445fa62aeea03a982...@dual ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. 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