I'd like better VS integration, but I can't really justify the effort needed since JHS / GTK are refreshingly simple + cross-platform. I am looking forward to trying out Chris' new IDE too. On APL symbols... I still only know a few of them. Intellisense to the dictionary would be more useful (ie. strengthen what is already working). More useful again would be Intellisense to J libraries.
On the dictionary, since in J we're talking about notation as a tool of thought, and the vocabulary is small, isn't it better to commit this to memory? Probably I'm forgetting how foreign this J vocabulary once looked to me. On 4 April 2013 22:06, Greg Borota <[email protected]> wrote: > My work would be usable only by those who can run Visual Studio binaries, > either the paid ones (preferably and easier) or the free Visual Studio > Shell. > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What Greg was describing would be optional (and out of scope for many > > users). > > > > FYI, > > > > -- > > Raul > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Peter B. Kessler > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I hope you can make this kind of change uniform, so that if I were > > debugging > > > or tracing, etc., I saw my program in the same character set that I > used > > to > > > write my program. Otherwise I can't use the powerful parallel > processor > > > that is my vision system to match things up. > > > > > > ... peter > > > > > > > > > On 04/04/13 12:44, Greg Borota wrote: > > >> > > >> What I have in mind is just a display thing. Say you Select All and > > >> Copy/Paste the content of the editor window, you still get ASCII chars > > >> only. > > >> > > >> E.g: In GTK Term whenever you enter y as the verb argument it changes > > >> color > > >> and becomes italic (at least under Windows). What if you were to > display > > >> the omega character instead? But behind the scenes you still hold y > > ASCII > > >> char indeed. Maybe those who already worked on GTK editor could add > > their > > >> feedback. > > >> > > >> And this could be an optional setting which one could turn on and off > as > > >> wanted. Just a display setting. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Devon McCormick <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I'm not sure this is really such a good idea. J is its own language > > and > > >>> mapping some J symbols to APL ones could be misleading. Also, as > much > > as > > >>> I > > >>> like the look of APL, I'm happy not to deal with the continuing > hiccups > > >>> caused by the character set. > > >>> > > >>> At last year's APL Moot, I showed my fellow mooters that I could cut > > and > > >>> paste Chinese characters into an emacs session with no apparent > problem > > >>> but > > >>> some of the APL characters from a website did not come over cleanly. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Greg Borota <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I think it might be a quicker path to use ASCII behind the scenes > > still > > >>> > > >>> but > > >>>> > > >>>> have some editor/term software (Visual Studio in this case) display > > >>>> words > > >>>> of interest as APL symbols. Like in MS Word where you type (c) and > > it's > > >>>> automatically displayed as Copyright Symbol ©. > > >>>> > > >>>> This could even be an Options settings where one could turn it on > and > > >>> > > >>> off. > > >>>> > > >>>> I think this is doable with reasonable effort with Visual Studio, > but > > I > > >>> > > >>> am > > >>>> > > >>>> thinking the idea could be used with Qt or GKT also. Unless I am > > missing > > >>>> something which I might see only after starting the actual > > >>>> implementation > > >>>> :-) > > >>>> > > >>>> I am very new to APL land, but I really liked the APL symbols. When > I > > >>> > > >>> first > > >>>> > > >>>> started with computers I was puzzled why math symbols were not used > > by C > > >>> > > >>> (C > > >>>> > > >>>> was my first higher level language after Assembly)... > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:41 PM, PMA <[email protected]> > > >>> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> What a wonderful idea! I wish I had > > >>>>> the competence & time to pursue it. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Pete > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> J. Patrick Harrington wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> ... My dream would be to have J expressible in APL-like > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> characters (there isn't a one-to-one correspondance, though most > > >>> > > >>> symbols > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> could be carried over). Then J could have two > > >>>>>> forms, like hieroglyphic and demotic Egyptian: ASCII J for use > > >>>>>> in emails & everywhere, and APL-like J for use on your main > > >>>>>> machine: more compact and beautiful to look at. I really hope > > >>>>>> that such a project gets under way. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------- > > >>>>> > > >>>>> For information about J forums see > > >>> > > >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/**forums.htm > > >>>> > > >>>> <http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> For information about J forums see > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Devon McCormick, CFA > > >>> ^me^ at acm. > > >>> org is my > > >>> preferred e-mail > > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > >>> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
