Selling current J editors to somebody who is doing their programming in Visual Studio all day long, it's a hard sell. They'll most probably just laugh at you...
And when you deal with huge programs developed over timespans like years and with many developers, biological memory starts to show its limits.... And then Intellisense, QuickInfo, quickly jumping around, etc. are your friends on which you don't want to easily give up. On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Steven Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > I'd like better VS integration, but I can't really justify the effort > needed since JHS / GTK are refreshingly simple + cross-platform. I am > looking forward to trying out Chris' new IDE too. On APL symbols... I > still only know a few of them. Intellisense to the dictionary would be > more useful (ie. strengthen what is already working). More useful again > would be Intellisense to J libraries. > > On the dictionary, since in J we're talking about notation as a tool of > thought, and the vocabulary is small, isn't it better to commit this to > memory? Probably I'm forgetting how foreign this J vocabulary once looked > to me. > > > > > On 4 April 2013 22:06, Greg Borota <[email protected]> wrote: > > > My work would be usable only by those who can run Visual Studio binaries, > > either the paid ones (preferably and easier) or the free Visual Studio > > Shell. > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > What Greg was describing would be optional (and out of scope for many > > > users). > > > > > > FYI, > > > > > > -- > > > Raul > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Peter B. Kessler > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I hope you can make this kind of change uniform, so that if I were > > > debugging > > > > or tracing, etc., I saw my program in the same character set that I > > used > > > to > > > > write my program. Otherwise I can't use the powerful parallel > > processor > > > > that is my vision system to match things up. > > > > > > > > ... peter > > > > > > > > > > > > On 04/04/13 12:44, Greg Borota wrote: > > > >> > > > >> What I have in mind is just a display thing. Say you Select All and > > > >> Copy/Paste the content of the editor window, you still get ASCII > chars > > > >> only. > > > >> > > > >> E.g: In GTK Term whenever you enter y as the verb argument it > changes > > > >> color > > > >> and becomes italic (at least under Windows). What if you were to > > display > > > >> the omega character instead? But behind the scenes you still hold y > > > ASCII > > > >> char indeed. Maybe those who already worked on GTK editor could add > > > their > > > >> feedback. > > > >> > > > >> And this could be an optional setting which one could turn on and > off > > as > > > >> wanted. Just a display setting. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Devon McCormick <[email protected] > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> I'm not sure this is really such a good idea. J is its own > language > > > and > > > >>> mapping some J symbols to APL ones could be misleading. Also, as > > much > > > as > > > >>> I > > > >>> like the look of APL, I'm happy not to deal with the continuing > > hiccups > > > >>> caused by the character set. > > > >>> > > > >>> At last year's APL Moot, I showed my fellow mooters that I could > cut > > > and > > > >>> paste Chinese characters into an emacs session with no apparent > > problem > > > >>> but > > > >>> some of the APL characters from a website did not come over > cleanly. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Greg Borota <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> I think it might be a quicker path to use ASCII behind the scenes > > > still > > > >>> > > > >>> but > > > >>>> > > > >>>> have some editor/term software (Visual Studio in this case) > display > > > >>>> words > > > >>>> of interest as APL symbols. Like in MS Word where you type (c) and > > > it's > > > >>>> automatically displayed as Copyright Symbol ©. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> This could even be an Options settings where one could turn it on > > and > > > >>> > > > >>> off. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I think this is doable with reasonable effort with Visual Studio, > > but > > > I > > > >>> > > > >>> am > > > >>>> > > > >>>> thinking the idea could be used with Qt or GKT also. Unless I am > > > missing > > > >>>> something which I might see only after starting the actual > > > >>>> implementation > > > >>>> :-) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I am very new to APL land, but I really liked the APL symbols. > When > > I > > > >>> > > > >>> first > > > >>>> > > > >>>> started with computers I was puzzled why math symbols were not > used > > > by C > > > >>> > > > >>> (C > > > >>>> > > > >>>> was my first higher level language after Assembly)... > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:41 PM, PMA <[email protected] > > > > > >>> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> What a wonderful idea! I wish I had > > > >>>>> the competence & time to pursue it. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Pete > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> J. Patrick Harrington wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> ... My dream would be to have J expressible in APL-like > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> characters (there isn't a one-to-one correspondance, though most > > > >>> > > > >>> symbols > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> could be carried over). Then J could have two > > > >>>>>> forms, like hieroglyphic and demotic Egyptian: ASCII J for use > > > >>>>>> in emails & everywhere, and APL-like J for use on your main > > > >>>>>> machine: more compact and beautiful to look at. I really hope > > > >>>>>> that such a project gets under way. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------- > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> For information about J forums see > > > >>> > > > >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/**forums.htm > > > >>>> > > > >>>> <http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>> For information about J forums see > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Devon McCormick, CFA > > > >>> ^me^ at acm. > > > >>> org is my > > > >>> preferred e-mail > > > >>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>> For information about J forums see > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > >>> > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> For information about J forums see > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
