What baffles me is the implication that atomic representations should not be used because their linear representations can be verbose.
By the way, the use of the form v Adv was a worst case scenario; I thought that would be clear to everyone, given the context, but apparently was not. I am rephrasing my statement just in case someone else also got confused: if the case when the tally of the agenda of @. is grater than one or boxed were not supported (tacit) adverbial programming would still be complete. On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > Which gets back to me being baffled by the thinking that @. is not > necessary because we can use a 532 character expression instead. > > -- > Raul > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:21 PM, Jose Mario Quintana > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Right, I did think it was that easy ;) > > > > As the subject of this thread clearly implies we, Dan and I, were talking > > about tacit adverbs. "The use of illegal steroids is not appreciated in > > this venue! :)" > > > > Incidentally, the size of linear representation of Adv has a lot to do > with > > the verbosity of linear representations of words involving atomic > > representations. Why should one be so concerned about it? > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Explicit is an alternative, also. > >> > >> -- > >> Raul > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Jose Mario Quintana > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > "There are always alternatives." I am really curious, can you produce > >> any > >> > arbitrary tacit adverb where neither @. nor `:6 appear in its > code? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> I am probably being something horrible, but... I'm kind of baffled by > >> >> the thinking that @. is not necessary because we can use a 532 > >> >> character expression instead. > >> >> > >> >> I mean, ok, sure, technically almost nothing is actually "necessary" > >> >> because there are always alternatives. But, taken to its logical > >> >> limit, computers fall in the same bucket, along with chairs, cars, > and > >> >> a variety of other such things which begin with the letter 'c'. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Raul > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Jose Mario Quintana > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > I am glad to see you around here Dan. If you only show around here > >> from > >> >> > time to time, or not ever again, the patrons and instructors can > >> learn a > >> >> > lot from you as your first post shows. By the way, as long as > there > >> are > >> >> > patrons and instructors, it is everybody's Jym. > >> >> > > >> >> > Regarding @. ,in the context of this Jym, I also avoid it and, as > far > >> >> as I > >> >> > can see, it can always be avoided (even from an orthodox > standpoint) > >> >> > because Adv's definition [0] does not rely on it and, in principle > at > >> >> > least, any tacit adverb can be expressed as v Adv. I currently use > >> it in > >> >> > one tool, not because it is necessary, but because the context is > >> ideal > >> >> for > >> >> > @. and therefore it is very efficient. > >> >> > > >> >> > [0] [Jprogramming] Tacit Toolkit (was dyadic J) > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2015-December/043678.html > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Dan Bron <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Pepe wrote: > >> >> >> > Instructors (Dan, Thomas et al. are you listening?), > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I always listen when you speak, Sensei. Though in recently years > my > >> >> review > >> >> >> of J Forum traffic has been more sporadic. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > a1 =:(`{.)(`{:)(@.1 0 2) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Hey, I never thought of doing a1 in that fashion. Neat approach. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Personally, I keep @. in reserve, as my heavy artillery, for when > my > >> >> >> tactical mind, unsubtle as it is, is unavailable to find a way to > >> route > >> >> my > >> >> >> infantry (primitive adverbs and bound primitive conjunctions) > around > >> a > >> >> >> wall, and neither can my light cannon (`:6) pierce it. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Anyway, to mix metaphors again, for those who are looking for some > >> >> workout > >> >> >> tips to train their tacit muscles (it is unwise to enter Pepe’s > Jym > >> >> >> unprepared), here’s a few I offered once, back when I could have > >> been a > >> >> >> contender: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2010-November/021172.html < > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2010-November/021172.html> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -Dan > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> For information about J forums see > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> >> >> > >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > For information about J forums see > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
