Tentunya yg lu anggap cerdas dan santun itu model si suryana atau Teddy, bukan?




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> From: johny_indon <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected] 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:10 AM
>Subject: [proletar] Re: Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent 
>to animals?
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>temen gua yg kristen protestan banyak yg cerdas dan santun.
>ngga tau kenapa, di prol yg ada malah yg kayak si item gini.
>atau si item justru representasi dari kebanyakan kresten protestan yg 
>sebenarnya?
>mudah2an sih bukan.
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>--- In [email protected], Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> wrote:
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>> Sesuai dengan omongan Johnny indo.....kalo elu mau promosi agama elu 
>> (kresten protestan) 
>> ya tunjukkanlah bahwa umat kresten protestan itu cerdas dan santun.
>> 
>> 
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>>  From: item abu <itemabu@...>
>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [proletar] Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent 
>> to animals?
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>>   
>> Lu mau kaing2 kayak apapun, faktanya adalah kata ganti yg dipake unt 
>> ngerefer "milik tangan kanan" itu adalah kata ganti unt benda atau binatang. 
>> Jadi auloh bilang lu halal ngembat binatang milik tangan kanan lu.
>> 
>> Ga bisa bantah dgn apa yg ada di jihadwatch.org lalu lu kaing2 kayak anjing 
>> kejepit buntut, ga beda dgn si habe yg kaing2 dia punya 2 buku Robert 
>> Spencer tp ga bisa bantah apa2.
>> 
>> Yg tukang ngibul itu adalah orang Islam krn auloh ngehalalin ngibul dan 
>> emang auloh jg ngaku sbg tukang tipu.
>> 
>> Apa bukannya lu yg kaing2 nabi pedophile lu ngebebasin 7000 budak tp ga 
>> ngasih referensi sama sekali yg nunjukin bhw lu ngibul?
>> 
>> >________________________________
>> > From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...>
>> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
>> >Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:30 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam 
>> >equivalent to animals?
>> > 
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>> >  
>> >Omong kosong lu baca yang kagak masuk akal jihadwatch.org
>> >sampah itu yang lu sumpelin keotak lu,buka otaklu lebar2 makanya
>> >debat kok cuma pantat melulu yang elu bawa2
>> >
>> >sesuai dengan omongan Johnny indo.....kalo elu mau promosi agama elu 
>> >(kresten protestan) 
>> >ya tunjukkanlah bahwa umat kresten protestan itu cerdas dan santun.
>> >
>> >terus2an nyerang islam, atau bilang katolik itu brengsek,
>> >ngga bakalan bikin orang simpati sama agama yg lagi elu jual, yg terjadi 
>> >malah jadi sebaliknya.
>> >
>> >elu itu salesman paling goblok yg pernah gua tau.
>> >
>> >________________________________
>> >From: item abu <itemabu@...>
>> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
>> >Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:52 AM
>> >Subject: [proletar] Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent to 
>> >animals?
>> >
>> >
>> >  
>> >Islam ngehalalin orang Islam (cowoknya, bukan ceweknya) ngembat apa yg jadi 
>> >milik tangan kanannya. Kata ganti yg dipakai di "milik tangan kanan" adalah 
>> >kata 
>> >ganti unt benda atau binatang, bukan kata ganti unt orang.
>> > 
>> >Apa artinya dgn dipakainya kata ganti unt benda atau binatang ini? 
>> > 
>> >Ada 2 kemungkinan, pertama budak itu dianggap sbg binatang, bukan sbg 
>> >manusia. 
>> >Ini masuk akal, krn kalo bini aja bisa digarap sesuka hati dan digebukin 
>> >kalo 
>> >dicurigai ga setia, apalagi budak.
>> > 
>> >Yg kedua, auloh emang ngehalalin ngembat binatang milik tangan kanan orang 
>> >Islam. Ini jg masuk akal, krn ahli2 Islam suka ngomong bhw kontol itu hrs 
>> >dicuci 
>> >kalo habis ngembat binatang yg berarti binatang itu emang boleh diembat.
>> > 
>> >Tinggal pilih aja mau yg mana, kan di Islam itu banyak penafsiran Quran yg 
>> >katanya detil dan jelas, orang Islam tinggal ngikutin aja penafsirannya 
>> >masing2, 
>> >ga usah takut unt dibantai oleh orang Islam yg ngikutin penafsiran yg lain 
>> >selama ybs lbh kuat secara militer dibandingkan dgn yg lain.
>> > 
>> >http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/12/raymond-ibrahim-are-slave-girls-in-islam-equivalent-to-animals.html
>> > 
>> >Raymond Ibrahim: Are  slave-girls in Islam equivalent to animals?
>> > 
>> >Many are now aware that the Koranâ€"that is, Allah’s wordâ€"permits, not  
>> >just polygamy, but forced concubinage (sex with captive women),  according 
>> >to Koran 4:3: “Marry such women as seem good to you, two and  three and 
>> >four; but if you fear that you will not do justice, then only  one, or what 
>> >your right hands possess [captive women taken in war].�  There is, 
>> >however, an interesting, and very telling, linguistic aspect  to this verse 
>> >that is often overlookedâ€"or intentionally obscured. The  Arabic states: 
>> >“Ankahu [marry]…ma [what] malakat [possess] aymankum  [your right 
>> >hands].� 
>> > 
>> >Oddly enough, the Arabic relative pronoun used to indicate these  captive 
>> >women is "ma": ma malakat aymankum, literally, “what your right hands 
>> >possess� (see Shakir’s acclaimed English translation which most 
>> >literally translates this). In  Arabic, when one refers to a rational being 
>> >(i.e., a human), the word  used is min, which means “who(ever)�; ma, on 
>> >the other  hand, refers only to things or animalsâ€"trees, rocks, dogs and 
>> >catsâ€"very  much similar to the English “it.â€� Thus, in proper Arabic 
>> >the phrase  might have been min malakat aymankum: “who(ever) your rights  
>> >hands possess.� 
>> > 
>> >For long I assumed this was but a stylistic matter. However, the  highly 
>> >revered Islamic scholar al-Qurtubi (d.1273) also makes this  observation in 
>> >vol. 5, p.12 of his authoritative 20-volume Tafsir Al  Koran (Exegesis of 
>> >the Koran). He points out that members of the  human race should be 
>> >referred to with min (who), whereas only  “inanimate objects� or 
>> >“brute beasts� should be referred to with ma (what). 
>> > 
>> >Does this suggest that the Koran’s Arabicâ€"touted as the most perfect  
>> >Arabicâ€"is flawed? Of course, no Muslim would allow for that. Nor need  
>> >they, as this phenomenon (portraying concubines as non-human) accords  well 
>> >with a number of hadiths that place females and animals in the same  
>> >category. Musnad Ibn Hanbal (vol. 2, p. 2992), for example,  records 
>> >Muhammad saying “Women, dogs, and donkeys annul a man’s prayer.�  
>> >Indeed, in Qurtubi’s same Tafsir (vol.15, p.172), after  examining such 
>> >hadiths, he writes, "A Woman may be likened to a  sheepâ€"even a cow or a 
>> >camelâ€"for all are ridden.â€�
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