Tentunya yg lu anggap cerdas dan santun itu model si suryana atau Teddy, bukan?
>________________________________ > From: johny_indon <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:10 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent >to animals? > > > > > >temen gua yg kristen protestan banyak yg cerdas dan santun. >ngga tau kenapa, di prol yg ada malah yg kayak si item gini. >atau si item justru representasi dari kebanyakan kresten protestan yg >sebenarnya? >mudah2an sih bukan. > >--- In [email protected], Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> wrote: >> >> Sesuai dengan omongan Johnny indo.....kalo elu mau promosi agama elu >> (kresten protestan) >> ya tunjukkanlah bahwa umat kresten protestan itu cerdas dan santun. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: item abu <itemabu@...> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [proletar] Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent >> to animals? >> >> >>  >> Lu mau kaing2 kayak apapun, faktanya adalah kata ganti yg dipake unt >> ngerefer "milik tangan kanan" itu adalah kata ganti unt benda atau binatang. >> Jadi auloh bilang lu halal ngembat binatang milik tangan kanan lu. >> >> Ga bisa bantah dgn apa yg ada di jihadwatch.org lalu lu kaing2 kayak anjing >> kejepit buntut, ga beda dgn si habe yg kaing2 dia punya 2 buku Robert >> Spencer tp ga bisa bantah apa2. >> >> Yg tukang ngibul itu adalah orang Islam krn auloh ngehalalin ngibul dan >> emang auloh jg ngaku sbg tukang tipu. >> >> Apa bukannya lu yg kaing2 nabi pedophile lu ngebebasin 7000 budak tp ga >> ngasih referensi sama sekali yg nunjukin bhw lu ngibul? >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:30 PM >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam >> >equivalent to animals? >> > >> > >> > >> >Omong kosong lu baca yang kagak masuk akal jihadwatch.org >> >sampah itu yang lu sumpelin keotak lu,buka otaklu lebar2 makanya >> >debat kok cuma pantat melulu yang elu bawa2 >> > >> >sesuai dengan omongan Johnny indo.....kalo elu mau promosi agama elu >> >(kresten protestan) >> >ya tunjukkanlah bahwa umat kresten protestan itu cerdas dan santun. >> > >> >terus2an nyerang islam, atau bilang katolik itu brengsek, >> >ngga bakalan bikin orang simpati sama agama yg lagi elu jual, yg terjadi >> >malah jadi sebaliknya. >> > >> >elu itu salesman paling goblok yg pernah gua tau. >> > >> >________________________________ >> >From: item abu <itemabu@...> >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:52 AM >> >Subject: [proletar] Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent to >> >animals? >> > >> > >> > >> >Islam ngehalalin orang Islam (cowoknya, bukan ceweknya) ngembat apa yg jadi >> >milik tangan kanannya. Kata ganti yg dipakai di "milik tangan kanan" adalah >> >kata >> >ganti unt benda atau binatang, bukan kata ganti unt orang. >> > >> >Apa artinya dgn dipakainya kata ganti unt benda atau binatang ini? >> > >> >Ada 2 kemungkinan, pertama budak itu dianggap sbg binatang, bukan sbg >> >manusia. >> >Ini masuk akal, krn kalo bini aja bisa digarap sesuka hati dan digebukin >> >kalo >> >dicurigai ga setia, apalagi budak. >> > >> >Yg kedua, auloh emang ngehalalin ngembat binatang milik tangan kanan orang >> >Islam. Ini jg masuk akal, krn ahli2 Islam suka ngomong bhw kontol itu hrs >> >dicuci >> >kalo habis ngembat binatang yg berarti binatang itu emang boleh diembat. >> > >> >Tinggal pilih aja mau yg mana, kan di Islam itu banyak penafsiran Quran yg >> >katanya detil dan jelas, orang Islam tinggal ngikutin aja penafsirannya >> >masing2, >> >ga usah takut unt dibantai oleh orang Islam yg ngikutin penafsiran yg lain >> >selama ybs lbh kuat secara militer dibandingkan dgn yg lain. >> > >> >http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/12/raymond-ibrahim-are-slave-girls-in-islam-equivalent-to-animals.html >> > >> >Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent to animals? >> > >> >Many are now aware that the Koranâ€"that is, Allah’s wordâ€"permits, not >> >just polygamy, but forced concubinage (sex with captive women), according >> >to Koran 4:3: “Marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and >> >four; but if you fear that you will not do justice, then only one, or what >> >your right hands possess [captive women taken in war].â€� There is, >> >however, an interesting, and very telling, linguistic aspect to this verse >> >that is often overlookedâ€"or intentionally obscured. The Arabic states: >> >“Ankahu [marry]…ma [what] malakat [possess] aymankum [your right >> >hands].â€� >> > >> >Oddly enough, the Arabic relative pronoun used to indicate these captive >> >women is "ma": ma malakat aymankum, literally, “what your right hands >> >possessâ€� (see Shakir’s acclaimed English translation which most >> >literally translates this). In Arabic, when one refers to a rational being >> >(i.e., a human), the word used is min, which means “who(ever)â€�; ma, on >> >the other hand, refers only to things or animalsâ€"trees, rocks, dogs and >> >catsâ€"very much similar to the English “it.â€� Thus, in proper Arabic >> >the phrase might have been min malakat aymankum: “who(ever) your rights >> >hands possess.â€� >> > >> >For long I assumed this was but a stylistic matter. However, the highly >> >revered Islamic scholar al-Qurtubi (d.1273) also makes this observation in >> >vol. 5, p.12 of his authoritative 20-volume Tafsir Al Koran (Exegesis of >> >the Koran). He points out that members of the human race should be >> >referred to with min (who), whereas only “inanimate objectsâ€� or >> >“brute beastsâ€� should be referred to with ma (what). >> > >> >Does this suggest that the Koran’s Arabicâ€"touted as the most perfect >> >Arabicâ€"is flawed? Of course, no Muslim would allow for that. Nor need >> >they, as this phenomenon (portraying concubines as non-human) accords well >> >with a number of hadiths that place females and animals in the same >> >category. Musnad Ibn Hanbal (vol. 2, p. 2992), for example, records >> >Muhammad saying “Women, dogs, and donkeys annul a man’s prayer.â€� >> >Indeed, in Qurtubi’s same Tafsir (vol.15, p.172), after examining such >> >hadiths, he writes, "A Woman may be likened to a sheepâ€"even a cow or a >> >camelâ€"for all are ridden.â€� >> > >> >Posted by Raymond on December 14, 2008 5:25 PM | 37 Comments >> > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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