buat anda pertanyaan ini lebih cocok:
apa yg bisa membuat hidup ini bermakna? yg dapat membuat diri saya berbahagia? kalau sudah dpt jawaban nya.. segera lah di kejar dan dilakukan.. --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> wrote: > > > Coba ajukan pertanyaan ini: apa ada bukti nabi najis Muhammad yang > diriwayatkan hadits dan sirah nabi itu memang ada? > > Sekedar pembuka fikiran: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/170365 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/158146 > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@> wrote: > > > > sensei . . . > > pak mamat itu tidak buta huruf. > > "tidak bisa membaca" atawa ummi di sini adalah ketika die dipandang gagal > > dqlam membaca kondisi dwngan bi ismi rabb. > > > > maksute begini . . . > > > > pak mamat pan masuk gua pan . . . gelap pan . . . trus itu si gabril nyuruh > > pak mamat baca. pak mamat protes dong. . . "yang bener ajah gabriel. . . > > ini gua. . . ini gelap. . . ogut nddak bisa membaca dong . . . lagian apa > > yang harus saya baca ? ( ma ana bi qori bei beh . . . ? ) > > > > sampai 3 kali gabril ini nyuruh dan 3 kali juga pak mamat protes "pala lu > > peang! ini gelap! gw nddak bisa baca atuh! lagian apa yang moati gua > > bacaaaa? " > > > > jibril kemudian ngomong . . . iqro . . . iqro bi ismi rabbik . . . > > > > muhammad bingung. balik ke rumah, minta diswlimutin sama khadijah. bobo deh > > . . . > > > > baru aja bobo, itu jibrol nongol lagi . . . > > > > hai orang yang berselimut! > > yaa ayyuhal mudatair! qum! fa andzir! > > jangan molor mlulu! bangun! dan berikanlah peringatan! > > > > kurang lebih gitu . . . > > > > waktu itu belum ada email atau bbm sih . . . kalau udah ada, jibril pan > > bisa pakai email ajah. biar nddak capek capek ngejar ngejar pak mamat gituh > > . . . > > > > --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@> wrote: > > > > > > coba sebutin, kapan gue setuju dengan si aceng? > > > belajar agama itu ngga perlu sampai tamat kuliah agama trus pake gelar kok > > > Muhammad aja bukan orang berpendidikan, baca tulis aja ngga mampu > > > begitu juga kebanyakan para sahabatnya > > > > > > nyentriknya lagi ada orang bergelar profesor > > > meneliti hadis yang lahir dari  perkataan dan kelaukan seorang buta huruf > > > > > > piye toh mas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:25 PM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal > > > battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > kebeneran gua nonton acara di tv one yg dihadiri aceng suraceng tukang > > > ngaceng, salah satu ustad ngarab yg gua lupa namanya (yg dlm acara itu > > > kayak kambing conge karena cuman dikasih kesempatan ngomong dikit > > > banget), dan profesor azyumardi azra, mantan rektor universitas > > > islam negri yg sekampung dengan habe dan uplik. > > > > > > sebagai catatan, ketiga orang yg tampil ini punya latar belakang > > > agama islam yg kental. si aceng sarjana agama, si ustad.. yah namanya > > > ustad ga perlu dijelasin lagi, dan sang profesor adalah mantan > > > rektor yg -nah ini gua baru tau- ternyata manusia pertama di luar > > > negara persemakmuran yg dikasih pangkat Commander of the Order of > > > British Empire dan berhak pake gelar Sir oleh pemerintah inggris. > > > (sementara orang minang lainnya harus cukup puas dengan gelar sutan > > > saja). gua perlu jelaskan hal ini supaya pemirsa tau mana ulama > > > yg kw super, mana yg kw 3. > > > > > > apa yg dibilang habe di bawah ini, persis banget seperti yg dikatakan > > > si aceng. > > > gua ngga bilang salah satu di antara mereka saling berguru ya. > > > tapi jelas di sini bahwa pemahaman habe dan aceng itu memang sama. > > > mungkin memang sumber yg diambil sama, atau punya paradigma yg sama, > > > gua ngga tau. > > > > > > menurut profesor azra, menceraikan bini dalam islam ngga semudah > > > klik send di tombol hp, tapi kudu melalui beberapa tahapan, gua lupa > > > berapa puluh tahapan, pokoknya ngga gampang deh. > > > jadi di sini keliatannya memang ada gap soal pengetahuan. > > > pengetahuan aceng (dan dalam hal ini habe juga, ngga apa2 be, elu > > > kan bukan sarjana agama) adalah pengetahuan -sorry, bukan merendahkan > > > kampung- ala orang kampung yg jangkauan pemikirannya ngga lebih > > > luas dari daun kelor maupun kolor. > > > sedangkan pengetahuan sang profesor bergelar sir ini jelas pengetahuan > > > abad 21. pengetahuan seorang intelektual yg membuat ratu elizabeth > > > rela menyematkan gelar Sir pada manusia yg berasal dari negara yg > > > konon, menurut sebagian orang, sedang berkembang itu. > > > > > > bukan karena gua sebel sama si aceng, bukan. > > > bahkan gua pikir si aceng cukup sukses memperkenalkan garut > > > pada dunia, karena yg dilakukan anthony bourdain walaupun pernah > > > nampilin garut di acara no reservations itu kayaknya kurang sukses. > > > tapi apa yg dibilang sang profesor memang masuk akal koq. > > > tinggal liat fakta di lapangan aja. > > > ada berapa juta orang islam di indonesia yg menceraikan istrinya > > > lewat sms? kayaknya baru si aceng doang ya. jadi ini adalah anomali, > > > dan membuktikan bahwa apa yg dipercaya habe malah tidak dipercaya > > > oleh jutaan pasangan muslim di indonesia. > > > > > > fakta lainnya juga membuktikan bahwa soal perceraian di kalangan > > > muslim memang ngga gampang. > > > coba liat beberapa artis yg muslim dan cerai, mereka harus keluar > > > duit ber juta2 buat bayar lawyer cuman untuk mendapatkan > > > selembar surat cerai. > > > padahal kalo apa yg dibilang habe (dan aceng) bener, kan tinggal > > > kirim sms aja, ongkosnya ngga nyampe 300 perak sekali klik send, ya toh? > > > > > > yah ini sekedar sharing penglihatan aja. > > > karena gua liat acara tv one, yg lain mungkin kagak sempet liat. > > > kalo ada yg mau cere'in bini pake sms kayak si aceng, karena > > > percaya apa yg dilakukannya sah dan valid, ya lakukan aja. > > > cuman sebelum kirim sms pastikan dulu bahwa pulsanya cukup. > > > karena gua yakin, yg cere'in bininya pake sms itu kalo bukan > > > karena pelitnya luar biasa, pasti bokeknya luar biasa. > > > (kalo begonya luar biasa sih ngga usah ditanya). > > > > > > soal agama maskulin nih. > > > yesus itu cowok (biarpun ngga kawin2, tapi bisa dipastikan cowok), > > > semua murid yesus juga cowok (bener ngga? wakti itu gua bolos mulu > > > soalnya). > > > buddha cowok juga. > > > kong hu chu, juga cowok. > > > brahma, wisnu, siwa, threesome... eh threemurti dlm agama hindu itu juga > > > digambarkan lanang kabeh. > > > apalagi yah... gua rada butek kalo ttg agama soalnya. > > > barangkali ada yg tau agama yg sesembahan/junjungannya cewek? > > > > > > tapi denger2 di leiden ada agama baru sih, namanya joggingism, > > > sesembahannya cewek bertetek gede, kalo ngga salah sih. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Islam ini agama maskulin, agama yang dikuasai laki laki > > > > seorang àlaki laki bisa menceraikan istrinya kapan saja dan hampir > > > > dengan cara apa saja > > > > tapi sebaliknya kalau perempuan ingin menceraikan suaminya, perkaranya > > > > dibikin susah dan rumit > > > > mesti ke pengadilan agama lah, didengarkan dulu alasan alasannya lah, > > > > setelah itu keputusan cerai bisa iya bisa gagal > > > > > > > > nih satu lagi yang kocak, jika seorang suami telah menceraikan bininya > > > > secara sah dengan ngomong begini > > > > " sri gue ceraiin lu hari ini "à> > > > > > > > eh besoknya dia nyesel, ternyata bini gue bahenol juga ya, apalagi > > > > musim dingin begini > > > > dia pengen balik lagi sama si sri bahenol, tapi hukum islam mengatakan > > > > si sri mesti kawin dulu sama orang > > > > lain lalu cerai sebelum balik lagi sama si mas tawang > > > > > > > > mas tawang akhirnya bilang > > > > > > > > " sri, mas pengen balik lagi, sebaiknya lu kawin dulu sama mas dimas, > > > > bobo bareng aja biar cuma semalem juga ora opo opo sri " > > > > > > > > how stupid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:27 PM > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre > > > > legal battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > talak lewat sms memang legal secara islam. bisa juga lewat titip pesen > > > > "tolong bilang sama si a, gw ceraikan die gitu! " kalimat ini juga sah > > > > dan legal dalam islam. bahkan dengan kalimat "pulang sana ke orang tua > > > > mu! " ucapan inipun adalah sah dan legal. atau afdolnya begini, cukup > > > > bilang " anu . . . dengan ini saya ceraikan kamu dengan talak satu . . > > > > . " kalimat ini sudah sah secara islam. > > > > > > > > bukan mengada ada. tapi itulah adanya. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mnrt pengacara Aceng talak melalui SMS itu legal dlm Islam. Memangnya > > > > > ketika Nabi Junjungan menceraikan salah satu bininya, beliau juga > > > > > ketik Talak lewat Ponsel? > > > > > > > > > > Ada2 saja sodara2 kita Muslim ini! > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 2:55 PM > > > > > Subject: [proletar] CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal > > > > > battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > Peristiwa cere liwat SMS itu ternyata samp juga ke CNN.. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > [CNN] > > > > > Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal battle in Indonesia > > > > > By Kathy Quiano, CNN > > > > > December 6, 2012 -- Updated 0627 GMT (1427 HKT) > > > > > > > > > > CNN.com > > > > > > > > > > Jarkarta, Indonesia (CNN) -- The marriage lasted four days and ended > > > > > in divorce via text message, from the 40-year-old local politician to > > > > > his 17-year-old wife. > > > > > > > > > > Aceng Fikri claimed his young bride Fani Oktara was not a virgin, as > > > > > she had claimed, so he decided to end the union, his lawyer Ujang > > > > > Suja'I said. > > > > > > > > > > She denied it, and in turn accused Aceng -- who is the head of the > > > > > district of Garut in West Java -- of spreading baseless accusations > > > > > against her. Her lawyer Danny Suliwisjaya told CNN that Aceng had > > > > > deceived his client into marriage. > > > > > > > > > > Aceng caused a stir after his July wedding to Fani. Although 16 is > > > > > the legal age for marriage in Indonesia, Aceng was already married > > > > > with children. Few Muslims practice polygamy, and while it is not > > > > > against the law, Indonesian civil servants are also prohibited from > > > > > taking on second spouses under strict regulations governing their > > > > > private lives. > > > > > > > > > > A photo of the alleged wedding ceremony was posted on the Internet. > > > > > Religious weddings are common in Indonesia but marriages need to be > > > > > civilly and legally registered. > > > > > > > > > > Aceng claimed divorcing his wife through text messaging is allowed > > > > > under Islamic Sharia law, his lawyer said. > > > > > > > > > > Public outrage over the marriage, and subsequent divorce, came after > > > > > Fani reported Aceng to the police on Monday, asking that he be > > > > > charged with falsifying his marital status, fraud, defamation and > > > > > unpleasant conduct. > > > > > > > > > > Police are still investigating Fani's complaint; as yet, there are no > > > > > charges against Aceng. > > > > > > > > > > There have since been daily protests in Garut, calling for his > > > > > resignation. > > > > > > > > > > The girl's lawyer, Danny Suliswijaya, told CNN she and her family > > > > > decided to go public only after months of asking Aceng for an apology. > > > > > > > > > > Suliswijaya said Aceng told Fani that he was a widower. > > > > > > > > > > "He said he married Fani as his only wife, so he cheated and failed > > > > > to tell the truth," Suliswijaya said. The lawyer claims Aceng also > > > > > reneged on promises to send her to university and to the minor Hajj > > > > > in Mecca. > > > > > > > > > > The embattled official apologized late Monday but stood by his > > > > > version of the story. "If what I did was wrong, even though it was > > > > > allowed by Islamic law, then I deeply apologize to my family and my > > > > > ex-wife," he told reporters. Ujang told CNN they will report Fani and > > > > > her family to the police, seeking charges of fraud and extortion. > > > > > > > > > > "Aceng accused her of not being a virgin on the second day of their > > > > > marriage and she didn't deny it. That's why Aceng decided to end the > > > > > marriage and send her back to her parents," Aceng's lawyer said. > > > > > Fani's attorney insists the accusations are baseless. > > > > > > > > > > According to his lawyer, Aceng gave the girl's family 43 million > > > > > rupiah (roughly $4,000) for her university fees and the minor Hajj > > > > > trip. He says the girl's family agreed to the settlement but > > > > > continued to contact Aceng for more money, "blackmailing the district > > > > > head." Fani's attorney denies Aceng's claims, and says all his client > > > > > wanted was an apology. > > > > > > > > > > Indonesian President Susilo has ordered the Home Affairs Ministry to > > > > > summon Aceng and investigate the matter. On Wednesday, Garut's local > > > > > legislative council also decided to create a special committee to > > > > > look into Aceng's case. > > > > > > > > > > His lawyer said the case needed "to go through legal channels," and > > > > > that his client's potential removal as district chief was not > > > > > imminent: "the council has to wait for the results of the police > > > > > investigation before making a decision on Aceng's dismissal." > > > > > > > > > > Women and children's rights activists, however, welcome the > > > > > investigations and the public outcry over the case. > > > > > > > > > > Muhammad Ihsan, secretary of the Commission for the Protection of > > > > > Indonesian Children or KPAI, told CNN the regent head may be held > > > > > liable for a sexual offense, if it is proven that the regent head > > > > > deceived the teenage girl. > > > > > > > > > > The commission says human trafficking, the illegal sex trade and the > > > > > exploitation of women are rampant, particularly in the province of > > > > > West Java. > > > > > > > > > > In not a few cases, parents or relatives give up their teenage > > > > > daughters for marriage, in exchange for money. > > > > > > > > > > Ihsan said that when the facts of this case become clearer, it could > > > > > highlight well-known and common practices of exploiting young women. > > > > > > > > > > "If a public official is allowed to get away with behavior like this, > > > > > then the public will think this is acceptable", said Ihsan. > > > > > > > > > > Rudy Madanir contributed to this report. > > > > > 17 > > > > > Comments Ãâû > > > > > > > > > > Print > > > > > Email > > > > > More sharing > > > > > > > > > > Ãâé 2012 Cable News Network. 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