etdah...pinpin nyeritain muhammad pake gaya begini....dianggep kurang ajar lu pin sama orang islam...murtad lu pin....hwakakakakaka....
2012/12/7 pinpinyuliansyah <[email protected]> > ** > > > sensei . . . > pak mamat itu tidak buta huruf. > "tidak bisa membaca" atawa ummi di sini adalah ketika die dipandang gagal > dqlam membaca kondisi dwngan bi ismi rabb. > > > maksute begini . . . > > pak mamat pan masuk gua pan . . . gelap pan . . . trus itu si gabril > nyuruh pak mamat baca. pak mamat protes dong. . . "yang bener ajah gabriel. > . . ini gua. . . ini gelap. . . ogut nddak bisa membaca dong . . . lagian > apa yang harus saya baca ? ( ma ana bi qori bei beh . . . ? ) > > sampai 3 kali gabril ini nyuruh dan 3 kali juga pak mamat protes "pala lu > peang! ini gelap! gw nddak bisa baca atuh! lagian apa yang moati gua > bacaaaa? " > > jibril kemudian ngomong . . . iqro . . . iqro bi ismi rabbik . . . > > muhammad bingung. balik ke rumah, minta diswlimutin sama khadijah. bobo > deh . . . > > baru aja bobo, itu jibrol nongol lagi . . . > > hai orang yang berselimut! > yaa ayyuhal mudatair! qum! fa andzir! > jangan molor mlulu! bangun! dan berikanlah peringatan! > > kurang lebih gitu . . . > > waktu itu belum ada email atau bbm sih . . . kalau udah ada, jibril pan > bisa pakai email ajah. biar nddak capek capek ngejar ngejar pak mamat gituh > . . . > > > --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@...> wrote: > > > > coba sebutin, kapan gue setuju dengan si aceng? > > belajar agama itu ngga perlu sampai tamat kuliah agama trus pake gelar > kok > > Muhammad aja bukan orang berpendidikan, baca tulis aja ngga mampu > > begitu juga kebanyakan para sahabatnya > > > > nyentriknya lagi ada orang bergelar profesor > > meneliti hadis yang lahir dari  perkataan dan kelaukan seorang buta > huruf > > > > piye toh mas? > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@...> > > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:25 PM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre > legal battle in Indonesia > > > > > >  > > > > > > kebeneran gua nonton acara di tv one yg dihadiri aceng suraceng tukang > > ngaceng, salah satu ustad ngarab yg gua lupa namanya (yg dlm acara itu > > kayak kambing conge karena cuman dikasih kesempatan ngomong dikit > > banget), dan profesor azyumardi azra, mantan rektor universitas > > islam negri yg sekampung dengan habe dan uplik. > > > > sebagai catatan, ketiga orang yg tampil ini punya latar belakang > > agama islam yg kental. si aceng sarjana agama, si ustad.. yah namanya > > ustad ga perlu dijelasin lagi, dan sang profesor adalah mantan > > rektor yg -nah ini gua baru tau- ternyata manusia pertama di luar > > negara persemakmuran yg dikasih pangkat Commander of the Order of > > British Empire dan berhak pake gelar Sir oleh pemerintah inggris. > > (sementara orang minang lainnya harus cukup puas dengan gelar sutan > > saja). gua perlu jelaskan hal ini supaya pemirsa tau mana ulama > > yg kw super, mana yg kw 3. > > > > apa yg dibilang habe di bawah ini, persis banget seperti yg dikatakan > > si aceng. > > gua ngga bilang salah satu di antara mereka saling berguru ya. > > tapi jelas di sini bahwa pemahaman habe dan aceng itu memang sama. > > mungkin memang sumber yg diambil sama, atau punya paradigma yg sama, > > gua ngga tau. > > > > menurut profesor azra, menceraikan bini dalam islam ngga semudah > > klik send di tombol hp, tapi kudu melalui beberapa tahapan, gua lupa > berapa puluh tahapan, pokoknya ngga gampang deh. > > jadi di sini keliatannya memang ada gap soal pengetahuan. > > pengetahuan aceng (dan dalam hal ini habe juga, ngga apa2 be, elu > > kan bukan sarjana agama) adalah pengetahuan -sorry, bukan merendahkan > > kampung- ala orang kampung yg jangkauan pemikirannya ngga lebih > > luas dari daun kelor maupun kolor. > > sedangkan pengetahuan sang profesor bergelar sir ini jelas pengetahuan > > abad 21. pengetahuan seorang intelektual yg membuat ratu elizabeth > > rela menyematkan gelar Sir pada manusia yg berasal dari negara yg > > konon, menurut sebagian orang, sedang berkembang itu. > > > > bukan karena gua sebel sama si aceng, bukan. > > bahkan gua pikir si aceng cukup sukses memperkenalkan garut > > pada dunia, karena yg dilakukan anthony bourdain walaupun pernah > > nampilin garut di acara no reservations itu kayaknya kurang sukses. > > tapi apa yg dibilang sang profesor memang masuk akal koq. > > tinggal liat fakta di lapangan aja. > > ada berapa juta orang islam di indonesia yg menceraikan istrinya > > lewat sms? kayaknya baru si aceng doang ya. jadi ini adalah anomali, > > dan membuktikan bahwa apa yg dipercaya habe malah tidak dipercaya > > oleh jutaan pasangan muslim di indonesia. > > > > fakta lainnya juga membuktikan bahwa soal perceraian di kalangan > > muslim memang ngga gampang. > > coba liat beberapa artis yg muslim dan cerai, mereka harus keluar > > duit ber juta2 buat bayar lawyer cuman untuk mendapatkan > > selembar surat cerai. > > padahal kalo apa yg dibilang habe (dan aceng) bener, kan tinggal > > kirim sms aja, ongkosnya ngga nyampe 300 perak sekali klik send, ya toh? > > > > yah ini sekedar sharing penglihatan aja. > > karena gua liat acara tv one, yg lain mungkin kagak sempet liat. > > kalo ada yg mau cere'in bini pake sms kayak si aceng, karena > > percaya apa yg dilakukannya sah dan valid, ya lakukan aja. > > cuman sebelum kirim sms pastikan dulu bahwa pulsanya cukup. > > karena gua yakin, yg cere'in bininya pake sms itu kalo bukan > > karena pelitnya luar biasa, pasti bokeknya luar biasa. > > (kalo begonya luar biasa sih ngga usah ditanya). > > > > soal agama maskulin nih. > > yesus itu cowok (biarpun ngga kawin2, tapi bisa dipastikan cowok), > > semua murid yesus juga cowok (bener ngga? wakti itu gua bolos mulu > soalnya). > > buddha cowok juga. > > kong hu chu, juga cowok. > > brahma, wisnu, siwa, threesome... eh threemurti dlm agama hindu itu juga > digambarkan lanang kabeh. > > apalagi yah... gua rada butek kalo ttg agama soalnya. > > barangkali ada yg tau agama yg sesembahan/junjungannya cewek? > > > > tapi denger2 di leiden ada agama baru sih, namanya joggingism, > > sesembahannya cewek bertetek gede, kalo ngga salah sih. > > > > --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@> wrote: > > > > > > Islam ini agama maskulin, agama yang dikuasai laki laki > > > seorang  laki laki bisa menceraikan istrinya kapan saja dan hampir > dengan cara apa saja > > > > tapi sebaliknya kalau perempuan ingin menceraikan suaminya, perkaranya > dibikin susah dan rumit > > > mesti ke pengadilan agama lah, didengarkan dulu alasan alasannya lah, > setelah itu keputusan cerai bisa iya bisa gagal > > > > > > nih satu lagi yang kocak, jika seorang suami telah menceraikan bininya > secara sah dengan ngomong begini > > > " sri gue ceraiin lu hari ini " > > > > > > > eh besoknya dia nyesel, ternyata bini gue bahenol juga ya, apalagi > musim dingin begini > > > dia pengen balik lagi sama si sri bahenol, tapi hukum islam mengatakan > si sri mesti kawin dulu sama orang > > > lain lalu cerai sebelum balik lagi sama si mas tawang > > > > > > mas tawang akhirnya bilang > > > > > > " sri, mas pengen balik lagi, sebaiknya lu kawin dulu sama mas dimas, > > > bobo bareng aja biar cuma semalem juga ora opo opo sri " > > > > > > how stupid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:27 PM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre > legal battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > >  > > > talak lewat sms memang legal secara islam. bisa juga lewat titip pesen > "tolong bilang sama si a, gw ceraikan die gitu! " kalimat ini juga sah dan > legal dalam islam. bahkan dengan kalimat "pulang sana ke orang tua mu! " > ucapan inipun adalah sah dan legal. atau afdolnya begini, cukup bilang " > anu . . . dengan ini saya ceraikan kamu dengan talak satu . . . " kalimat > ini sudah sah secara islam. > > > > > > bukan mengada ada. tapi itulah adanya. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mnrt pengacara Aceng talak melalui SMS itu legal dlm Islam. > Memangnya ketika Nabi Junjungan menceraikan salah satu bininya, beliau juga > ketik Talak lewat Ponsel? > > > > > > > > Ada2 saja sodara2 kita Muslim ini! > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 2:55 PM > > > > Subject: [proletar] CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre > legal battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Peristiwa cere liwat SMS itu ternyata samp juga ke CNN.. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > [CNN] > > > > Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal battle in Indonesia > > > > By Kathy Quiano, CNN > > > > December 6, 2012 -- Updated 0627 GMT (1427 HKT) > > > > > > > > CNN.com > > > > > > > > Jarkarta, Indonesia (CNN) -- The marriage lasted four days and ended > in divorce via text message, from the 40-year-old local politician to his > 17-year-old wife. > > > > > > > > Aceng Fikri claimed his young bride Fani Oktara was not a virgin, as > she had claimed, so he decided to end the union, his lawyer Ujang Suja'I > said. > > > > > > > > She denied it, and in turn accused Aceng -- who is the head of the > district of Garut in West Java -- of spreading baseless accusations against > her. Her lawyer Danny Suliwisjaya told CNN that Aceng had deceived his > client into marriage. > > > > > > > > Aceng caused a stir after his July wedding to Fani. Although 16 is > the legal age for marriage in Indonesia, Aceng was already married with > children. Few Muslims practice polygamy, and while it is not against the > law, Indonesian civil servants are also prohibited from taking on second > spouses under strict regulations governing their private lives. > > > > > > > > A photo of the alleged wedding ceremony was posted on the Internet. > Religious weddings are common in Indonesia but marriages need to be civilly > and legally registered. > > > > > > > > Aceng claimed divorcing his wife through text messaging is allowed > under Islamic Sharia law, his lawyer said. > > > > > > > > Public outrage over the marriage, and subsequent divorce, came after > Fani reported Aceng to the police on Monday, asking that he be charged with > falsifying his marital status, fraud, defamation and unpleasant conduct. > > > > > > > > Police are still investigating Fani's complaint; as yet, there are > no charges against Aceng. > > > > > > > > There have since been daily protests in Garut, calling for his > resignation. > > > > > > > > The girl's lawyer, Danny Suliswijaya, told CNN she and her family > decided to go public only after months of asking Aceng for an apology. > > > > > > > > Suliswijaya said Aceng told Fani that he was a widower. > > > > > > > > "He said he married Fani as his only wife, so he cheated and failed > to tell the truth," Suliswijaya said. The lawyer claims Aceng also reneged > on promises to send her to university and to the minor Hajj in Mecca. > > > > > > > > The embattled official apologized late Monday but stood by his > version of the story. "If what I did was wrong, even though it was allowed > by Islamic law, then I deeply apologize to my family and my ex-wife," he > told reporters. Ujang told CNN they will report Fani and her family to the > police, seeking charges of fraud and extortion. > > > > > > > > "Aceng accused her of not being a virgin on the second day of their > marriage and she didn't deny it. That's why Aceng decided to end the > marriage and send her back to her parents," Aceng's lawyer said. Fani's > attorney insists the accusations are baseless. > > > > > > > > According to his lawyer, Aceng gave the girl's family 43 million > rupiah (roughly $4,000) for her university fees and the minor Hajj trip. He > says the girl's family agreed to the settlement but continued to contact > Aceng for more money, "blackmailing the district head." Fani's attorney > denies Aceng's claims, and says all his client wanted was an apology. > > > > > > > > Indonesian President Susilo has ordered the Home Affairs Ministry to > summon Aceng and investigate the matter. On Wednesday, Garut's local > legislative council also decided to create a special committee to look into > Aceng's case. > > > > > > > > His lawyer said the case needed "to go through legal channels," and > that his client's potential removal as district chief was not imminent: > "the council has to wait for the results of the police investigation before > making a decision on Aceng's dismissal." > > > > > > > > Women and children's rights activists, however, welcome the > investigations and the public outcry over the case. > > > > > > > > Muhammad Ihsan, secretary of the Commission for the Protection of > Indonesian Children or KPAI, told CNN the regent head may be held liable > for a sexual offense, if it is proven that the regent head deceived the > teenage girl. > > > > > > > > The commission says human trafficking, the illegal sex trade and the > exploitation of women are rampant, particularly in the province of West > Java. > > > > > > > > In not a few cases, parents or relatives give up their teenage > daughters for marriage, in exchange for money. > > > > > > > > Ihsan said that when the facts of this case become clearer, it could > highlight well-known and common practices of exploiting young women. > > > > > > > > "If a public official is allowed to get away with behavior like > this, then the public will think this is acceptable", said Ihsan. > > > > > > > > Rudy Madanir contributed to this report. > > > > 17 > > > > Comments » > > > > > > > > Print > > > > Email > > > > More sharing > > > > > > > > © 2012 Cable News Network. 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