Sebenarnya pertanyaan arra boleh dibilang aneh bin ajaib. Memang CERAI itu terhadap wanita lain toh ? Kan namanya cerai itu adalah padaa Istri lah. Kok arra mengajukan pertanyaan seperti itu ? Dari kenaren terus terang saya nyureng, ora ngerti.
--- On Fri, 12/7/12, arra_s <[email protected]> wrote: From: arra_s <[email protected]> Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal battle in Indonesia To: [email protected] Received: Friday, December 7, 2012, 12:16 PM sebetulnya pertanyaan saya adalah.. beranikah melakukan nya terhadap isteri sendiri?? dari jawaban akan terlihat seperti apa karakter org tsb.. hanya orang2 sejenis aceng lah yg setuju melakukan nya.. yg menurut saya adalah pengecut dan tidak menghargai ikatan sakral perkawinan.. dalam masalah hukum yg buatan manusia.. hukum yg legal di tang an seorang lawyer bisa menjadi tidak legal.. karena memang di usahakan untuk meniadakan legal nya.. sedangkan agama.. agama adalah panduan hidup bagi yg memerlukan nya.. bagi orang2 ini apa yg tertulis di kitab suci.. tentu diusahakan menemukan kebaikan nya.. dan bagi orang2 yg enggan beragama.. jangan kan satu.. sejuta keburukan pun bisa di temukan di dalam kitab suci.. karena memang keburukan isi kitablah yg mereka cari.. beda beda tipis dgn yg di lakukan lawyer.. disinilah "niat" itu memegang peranan penting.. --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@...> wrote: > > ini bukan masalah anggapan arra . . . > secara islam, talak lewat sms itu ya emang legal. > kenapa? > lha. . . talak dalam islam itu wmang bisa cuman nitip pesen doang . "bilang > sama ibunya anak anak . . . saya ceraikan dia gituh " > itu udah legal secara islam. > > > > --- In [email protected], "arra_s" <arra_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > apa disini yg anggap legal cara menceraikansteri dgn sms.. > > > > berani melakukan nya terhadap isteri sendiri? > > > > saya setuju sekali apa yg di tulis johny di bawah.. > > bahwa pemahaman terhadap agama.. > > bisa ber macam macam.. > > ada yg ala kampung ada yg ala intelektual.. > > > > orang yg intelek.. dengan gelar pendidkan aneka rupa pun.. > > bisa saja memilih pemahaman kampung.. > > karena panggilan syahwat nya.. > > > > mungkin syahwat pun perlu di didik.. agar tdk menjadi kampungan.. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > wrote: > > > > > > sensei . . . > > > pak mamat itu tidak buta huruf. > > > "tidak bisa membaca" atawa ummi di sini adalah ketika die dipandang gagal > > > dqlam membaca kondisi dwngan bi ismi rabb. > > > > > > maksute begini . . . > > > > > > pak mamat pan masuk gua pan . . . gelap pan . . . trus itu si gabril > > > nyuruh pak mamat baca. pak mamat protes dong. . . "yang bener ajah > > > gabriel. . . ini gua. . . ini gelap. . . ogut nddak bisa membaca dong . . > > > . lagian apa yang harus saya baca ? ( ma ana bi qori bei beh . . . ? ) > > > > > > sampai 3 kali gabril ini nyuruh dan 3 kali juga pak mamat protes "pala lu > > > peang! ini gelap! gw nddak bisa baca atuh! lagian apa yang moati gua > > > bacaaaa? " > > > > > > jibril kemudian ngomong . . . iqro . . . iqro bi ismi rabbik . . . > > > > > > muhammad bingung. balik ke rumah, minta diswlimutin sama khadijah. bobo > > > deh . . . > > > > > > baru aja bobo, itu jibrol nongol lagi . . . > > > > > > hai orang yang berselimut! > > > yaa ayyuhal mudatair! qum! fa andzir! > > > jangan molor mlulu! bangun! dan berikanlah peringatan! > > > > > > kurang lebih gitu . . . > > > > > > waktu itu belum ada email atau bbm sih . . . kalau udah ada, jibril pan > > > bisa pakai email ajah. biar nddak capek capek ngejar ngejar pak mamat > > > gituh . . . > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@> wrote: > > > > > > > > coba sebutin, kapan gue setuju dengan si aceng? > > > > belajar agama itu ngga perlu sampai tamat kuliah agama trus pake gelar > > > > kok > > > > Muhammad aja bukan orang berpendidikan, baca tulis aja ngga mampu > > > > begitu juga kebanyakan para sahabatnya > > > > > > > > nyentriknya lagi ada orang bergelar profesor > > > > meneliti hadis yang lahir dari  perkataan dan kelaukan seorang buta > > > > huruf > > > > > > > > piye toh mas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:25 PM > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre > > > > legal battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > kebeneran gua nonton acara di tv one yg dihadiri aceng suraceng tukang > > > > ngaceng, salah satu ustad ngarab yg gua lupa namanya (yg dlm acara itu > > > > kayak kambing conge karena cuman dikasih kesempatan ngomong dikit > > > > banget), dan profesor azyumardi azra, mantan rektor universitas > > > > islam negri yg sekampung dengan habe dan uplik. > > > > > > > > sebagai catatan, ketiga orang yg tampil ini punya latar belakang > > > > agama islam yg kental. si aceng sarjana agama, si ustad.. yah namanya > > > > ustad ga perlu dijelasin lagi, dan sang profesor adalah mantan > > > > rektor yg -nah ini gua baru tau- ternyata manusia pertama di luar > > > > negara persemakmuran yg dikasih pangkat Commander of the Order of > > > > British Empire dan berhak pake gelar Sir oleh pemerintah inggris. > > > > (sementara orang minang lainnya harus cukup puas dengan gelar sutan > > > > saja). gua perlu jelaskan hal ini supaya pemirsa tau mana ulama > > > > yg kw super, mana yg kw 3. > > > > > > > > apa yg dibilang habe di bawah ini, persis banget seperti yg dikatakan > > > > si aceng. > > > > gua ngga bilang salah satu di antara mereka saling berguru ya. > > > > tapi jelas di sini bahwa pemahaman habe dan aceng itu memang sama. > > > > mungkin memang sumber yg diambil sama, atau punya paradigma yg sama, > > > > gua ngga tau. > > > > > > > > menurut profesor azra, menceraikan bini dalam islam ngga semudah > > > > klik send di tombol hp, tapi kudu melalui beberapa tahapan, gua lupa > > > > berapa puluh tahapan, pokoknya ngga gampang deh. > > > > jadi di sini keliatannya memang ada gap soal pengetahuan. > > > > pengetahuan aceng (dan dalam hal ini habe juga, ngga apa2 be, elu > > > > kan bukan sarjana agama) adalah pengetahuan -sorry, bukan merendahkan > > > > kampung- ala orang kampung yg jangkauan pemikirannya ngga lebih > > > > luas dari daun kelor maupun kolor. > > > > sedangkan pengetahuan sang profesor bergelar sir ini jelas pengetahuan > > > > abad 21. pengetahuan seorang intelektual yg membuat ratu elizabeth > > > > rela menyematkan gelar Sir pada manusia yg berasal dari negara yg > > > > konon, menurut sebagian orang, sedang berkembang itu. > > > > > > > > bukan karena gua sebel sama si aceng, bukan. > > > > bahkan gua pikir si aceng cukup sukses memperkenalkan garut > > > > pada dunia, karena yg dilakukan anthony bourdain walaupun pernah > > > > nampilin garut di acara no reservations itu kayaknya kurang sukses. > > > > tapi apa yg dibilang sang profesor memang masuk akal koq. > > > > tinggal liat fakta di lapangan aja. > > > > ada berapa juta orang islam di indonesia yg menceraikan istrinya > > > > lewat sms? kayaknya baru si aceng doang ya. jadi ini adalah anomali, > > > > dan membuktikan bahwa apa yg dipercaya habe malah tidak dipercaya > > > > oleh jutaan pasangan muslim di indonesia. > > > > > > > > fakta lainnya juga membuktikan bahwa soal perceraian di kalangan > > > > muslim memang ngga gampang. > > > > coba liat beberapa artis yg muslim dan cerai, mereka harus keluar > > > > duit ber juta2 buat bayar lawyer cuman untuk mendapatkan > > > > selembar surat cerai. > > > > padahal kalo apa yg dibilang habe (dan aceng) bener, kan tinggal > > > > kirim sms aja, ongkosnya ngga nyampe 300 perak sekali klik send, ya toh? > > > > > > > > yah ini sekedar sharing penglihatan aja. > > > > karena gua liat acara tv one, yg lain mungkin kagak sempet liat. > > > > kalo ada yg mau cere'in bini pake sms kayak si aceng, karena > > > > percaya apa yg dilakukannya sah dan valid, ya lakukan aja. > > > > cuman sebelum kirim sms pastikan dulu bahwa pulsanya cukup. > > > > karena gua yakin, yg cere'in bininya pake sms itu kalo bukan > > > > karena pelitnya luar biasa, pasti bokeknya luar biasa. > > > > (kalo begonya luar biasa sih ngga usah ditanya). > > > > > > > > soal agama maskulin nih. > > > > yesus itu cowok (biarpun ngga kawin2, tapi bisa dipastikan cowok), > > > > semua murid yesus juga cowok (bener ngga? wakti itu gua bolos mulu > > > > soalnya). > > > > buddha cowok juga. > > > > kong hu chu, juga cowok. > > > > brahma, wisnu, siwa, threesome... eh threemurti dlm agama hindu itu > > > > juga digambarkan lanang kabeh. > > > > apalagi yah... gua rada butek kalo ttg agama soalnya. > > > > barangkali ada yg tau agama yg sesembahan/junjungannya cewek? > > > > > > > > tapi denger2 di leiden ada agama baru sih, namanya joggingism, > > > > sesembahannya cewek bertetek gede, kalo ngga salah sih. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Islam ini agama maskulin, agama yang dikuasai laki laki > > > > > seorang  laki laki bisa menceraikan istrinya kapan saja dan hampir > > > > > dengan cara apa saja > > > > > tapi sebaliknya kalau perempuan ingin menceraikan suaminya, > > > > > perkaranya dibikin susah dan rumit > > > > > mesti ke pengadilan agama lah, didengarkan dulu alasan alasannya lah, > > > > > setelah itu keputusan cerai bisa iya bisa gagal > > > > > > > > > > nih satu lagi yang kocak, jika seorang suami telah menceraikan > > > > > bininya secara sah dengan ngomong begini > > > > > " sri gue ceraiin lu hari ini " > > > > > > > > > > eh besoknya dia nyesel, ternyata bini gue bahenol juga ya, apalagi > > > > > musim dingin begini > > > > > dia pengen balik lagi sama si sri bahenol, tapi hukum islam > > > > > mengatakan si sri mesti kawin dulu sama orang > > > > > lain lalu cerai sebelum balik lagi sama si mas tawang > > > > > > > > > > mas tawang akhirnya bilang > > > > > > > > > > " sri, mas pengen balik lagi, sebaiknya lu kawin dulu sama mas dimas, > > > > > bobo bareng aja biar cuma semalem juga ora opo opo sri " > > > > > > > > > > how stupid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:27 PM > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre > > > > > legal battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > talak lewat sms memang legal secara islam. bisa juga lewat titip > > > > > pesen "tolong bilang sama si a, gw ceraikan die gitu! " kalimat ini > > > > > juga sah dan legal dalam islam. bahkan dengan kalimat "pulang sana ke > > > > > orang tua mu! " ucapan inipun adalah sah dan legal. atau afdolnya > > > > > begini, cukup bilang " anu . . . dengan ini saya ceraikan kamu dengan > > > > > talak satu . . . " kalimat ini sudah sah secara islam. > > > > > > > > > > bukan mengada ada. tapi itulah adanya. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mnrt pengacara Aceng talak melalui SMS itu legal dlm Islam. > > > > > > Memangnya ketika Nabi Junjungan menceraikan salah satu bininya, > > > > > > beliau juga ketik Talak lewat Ponsel? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ada2 saja sodara2 kita Muslim ini! > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 2:55 PM > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre > > > > > > legal battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Peristiwa cere liwat SMS itu ternyata samp juga ke CNN.. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > [CNN] > > > > > > Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal battle in Indonesia > > > > > > By Kathy Quiano, CNN > > > > > > December 6, 2012 -- Updated 0627 GMT (1427 HKT) > > > > > > > > > > > > CNN.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Jarkarta, Indonesia (CNN) -- The marriage lasted four days and > > > > > > ended in divorce via text message, from the 40-year-old local > > > > > > politician to his 17-year-old wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aceng Fikri claimed his young bride Fani Oktara was not a virgin, > > > > > > as she had claimed, so he decided to end the union, his lawyer > > > > > > Ujang Suja'I said. > > > > > > > > > > > > She denied it, and in turn accused Aceng -- who is the head of the > > > > > > district of Garut in West Java -- of spreading baseless accusations > > > > > > against her. Her lawyer Danny Suliwisjaya told CNN that Aceng had > > > > > > deceived his client into marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aceng caused a stir after his July wedding to Fani. Although 16 is > > > > > > the legal age for marriage in Indonesia, Aceng was already married > > > > > > with children. Few Muslims practice polygamy, and while it is not > > > > > > against the law, Indonesian civil servants are also prohibited from > > > > > > taking on second spouses under strict regulations governing their > > > > > > private lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > A photo of the alleged wedding ceremony was posted on the Internet. > > > > > > Religious weddings are common in Indonesia but marriages need to be > > > > > > civilly and legally registered. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aceng claimed divorcing his wife through text messaging is allowed > > > > > > under Islamic Sharia law, his lawyer said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Public outrage over the marriage, and subsequent divorce, came > > > > > > after Fani reported Aceng to the police on Monday, asking that he > > > > > > be charged with falsifying his marital status, fraud, defamation > > > > > > and unpleasant conduct. > > > > > > > > > > > > Police are still investigating Fani's complaint; as yet, there are > > > > > > no charges against Aceng. > > > > > > > > > > > > There have since been daily protests in Garut, calling for his > > > > > > resignation. > > > > > > > > > > > > The girl's lawyer, Danny Suliswijaya, told CNN she and her family > > > > > > decided to go public only after months of asking Aceng for an > > > > > > apology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suliswijaya said Aceng told Fani that he was a widower. > > > > > > > > > > > > "He said he married Fani as his only wife, so he cheated and failed > > > > > > to tell the truth," Suliswijaya said. The lawyer claims Aceng also > > > > > > reneged on promises to send her to university and to the minor Hajj > > > > > > in Mecca. > > > > > > > > > > > > The embattled official apologized late Monday but stood by his > > > > > > version of the story. "If what I did was wrong, even though it was > > > > > > allowed by Islamic law, then I deeply apologize to my family and my > > > > > > ex-wife," he told reporters. Ujang told CNN they will report Fani > > > > > > and her family to the police, seeking charges of fraud and > > > > > > extortion. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Aceng accused her of not being a virgin on the second day of their > > > > > > marriage and she didn't deny it. That's why Aceng decided to end > > > > > > the marriage and send her back to her parents," Aceng's lawyer > > > > > > said. Fani's attorney insists the accusations are baseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to his lawyer, Aceng gave the girl's family 43 million > > > > > > rupiah (roughly $4,000) for her university fees and the minor Hajj > > > > > > trip. He says the girl's family agreed to the settlement but > > > > > > continued to contact Aceng for more money, "blackmailing the > > > > > > district head." Fani's attorney denies Aceng's claims, and says all > > > > > > his client wanted was an apology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Indonesian President Susilo has ordered the Home Affairs Ministry > > > > > > to summon Aceng and investigate the matter. On Wednesday, Garut's > > > > > > local legislative council also decided to create a special > > > > > > committee to look into Aceng's case. > > > > > > > > > > > > His lawyer said the case needed "to go through legal channels," and > > > > > > that his client's potential removal as district chief was not > > > > > > imminent: "the council has to wait for the results of the police > > > > > > investigation before making a decision on Aceng's dismissal." > > > > > > > > > > > > Women and children's rights activists, however, welcome the > > > > > > investigations and the public outcry over the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Muhammad Ihsan, secretary of the Commission for the Protection of > > > > > > Indonesian Children or KPAI, told CNN the regent head may be held > > > > > > liable for a sexual offense, if it is proven that the regent head > > > > > > deceived the teenage girl. > > > > > > > > > > > > The commission says human trafficking, the illegal sex trade and > > > > > > the exploitation of women are rampant, particularly in the province > > > > > > of West Java. > > > > > > > > > > > > In not a few cases, parents or relatives give up their teenage > > > > > > daughters for marriage, in exchange for money. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ihsan said that when the facts of this case become clearer, it > > > > > > could highlight well-known and common practices of exploiting young > > > > > > women. > > > > > > > > > > > > "If a public official is allowed to get away with behavior like > > > > > > this, then the public will think this is acceptable", said Ihsan. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rudy Madanir contributed to this report. > > > > > > 17 > > > > > > Comments » > > > > > > > > > > > > Print > > > > > > Email > > > > > > More sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > © 2012 Cable News Network. 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