Jadi soal talak diajaran agama najis itu multi tafsir.. Itulah masaalahnya dengan ajaran agama najis Islam itu: banyak ajarannya yang multi tafsir.
Dan kita juga tahu bahwa ajaran agama najis itu bukan hanya multi tafsir tapi juga saling bertentangan... Agar jelas: ajaran agama najis Islam itu kacau balau. Dan akibatnya: dar al Islam itu kacau balau. Dari dulu. Lalu kenapa orang Indoensia nggak ngambil contoh ke dunia damai, kedunia yang barusan dapat hadiah Nobel untuk perdamaian: Eropa. Eropa: dunia demokratik yang menghargai hak-hak azasi manusia dan melaksanakan welfare state. --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@...> wrote: > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Habe Proletar <proletar4@...> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 12:25 AM > Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal > battle in Indonesia > > > no sir, > urusan talak itu multitafsir, > ada yang bilang bisa sekalian memberi talak3, ada yang bilang tidak bisa > ini persis banget dengan urusan soal budak, bisa yes bisa no dalam quran > atau soal ahlikitab, bisa yes, bisa juga no > atau soal perkawinan siri ala shiah, bisa yes bisa no, tergantung yang minta > apa yang ente tanya di cianjur sana, akan berbeda jawabannya kalau ditanya di > Iran atau yemen sana > > untuk memperjelas > > http://blogperadilan.blogspot.com/2011/05/hukum-talak-tiga-dalam-satu-lafadz.html > > > trus baca respon pembacanya kocak > > > ________________________________ > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:23 PM > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal > battle in Indonesia > > >  > > no sir. > saya sudah tanya langsung ke kantor urusan agama cianjur sensei . . . > talak tiga nddak bisa langsung. > apanan tetep ada masa iddah swkitar 100 hari dari mulai dijatuhkannya talak . > . . > itu prosedur cerdas dari ayatem islam. > talak bisa spontan, namun ada masa iddah . . .dan saat rujuk dalam masa > iddah, nddak perlu pakai mas kawin lagi. > > system islam untuk maaalah talak rujuk saya pikir numero uno. bagus banget! > apalagi kalau kita tahu bahwa produk hukum ini muncul lebih dari seribu tahun > lalu. > brilian! > > --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@> wrote: > > > > pin, di islam, seorang suami boleh menceraikan istri dengan talak 3 > > sekaligus > > atau dia ngucap " aku talak kamu, à" 3 kali berturut turut > > > > kalau ngga percaya lu tanya aja pak haji Z > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:29 PM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal > > battle in Indonesia > > > > > > à> > prosesurnya nddak begitu sensei . . . > > islam tidak memperbolehkan langsung talak tiga. > > maksute begini . . . > > hari ini si uplik bilang "marlene! kau gemuk! goyangan elo parahhhh! > > hari ini gw ceraikan elo dengan talak satu! " > > > > nah. . . itu udah resmi cerai tuh . . . > > > > swbelum masa iddah abis, misalnya besok paginya ketemu marlene, trus uplik > > kebelet, uplik tinggal bilang "rujuk yu . . . " maka si marlenene cukup > > ngangguk sambil buka baju. > > > > aore nya, karena janjian sama si item, uplik tereak lagi . . . > > "marlweeennnnn elo gw ceraiiiiii! gw punya pacar baruuuuu! " nah . . . itu > > talak dua jatuh tuh . . . > > > > trua beaok beaoknya, eh ketemu lagi, eh kebelet lagi . . . rujuk lagi deh . > > . . > > > > trua. . . kumat lagi. . . keluar talak tiga . . . > > > > ini problim . . . > > > > karena uplik nddak biaa rujuk sama marlene, kecuali marlene dikawinin dulu > > sama bonobo dan dicerai dulu sama bonobo, baru uplik boleh meminang marlene > > lagi dan harus kawin seperti biasa . . . mas kawin . . saksi . . ijab > > kabul. . . > > > > gitu swnaei . . . > > > > --- In [email protected], Habe Proletar <proletar4@> wrote: > > > > > > Islam ini agama maskulin, agama yang dikuasai laki laki > > > seorang Ãâàlaki laki bisa menceraikan istrinya kapan saja dan > > > hampir dengan cara apa saja > > > tapi sebaliknya kalau perempuan ingin menceraikan suaminya, perkaranya > > > dibikin susah dan rumit > > > mesti ke pengadilan agama lah, didengarkan dulu alasan alasannya lah, > > > setelah itu keputusan cerai bisa iya bisa gagal > > > > > > nih satu lagi yang kocak, jika seorang suami telah menceraikan bininya > > > secara sah dengan ngomong begini > > > " sri gue ceraiin lu hari ini "Ãâà> > > > > > eh besoknya dia nyesel, ternyata bini gue bahenol juga ya, apalagi musim > > > dingin begini > > > dia pengen balik lagi sama si sri bahenol, tapi hukum islam mengatakan si > > > sri mesti kawin dulu sama orang > > > lain lalu cerai sebelum balik lagi sama si mas tawang > > > > > > mas tawang akhirnya bilang > > > > > > " sri, mas pengen balik lagi, sebaiknya lu kawin dulu sama mas dimas, > > > bobo bareng aja biar cuma semalem juga ora opo opo sri " > > > > > > how stupid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:27 PM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal > > > battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > talak lewat sms memang legal secara islam. bisa juga lewat titip pesen > > > "tolong bilang sama si a, gw ceraikan die gitu! " kalimat ini juga sah > > > dan legal dalam islam. bahkan dengan kalimat "pulang sana ke orang tua > > > mu! " ucapan inipun adalah sah dan legal. atau afdolnya begini, cukup > > > bilang " anu . . . dengan ini saya ceraikan kamu dengan talak satu . . . > > > " kalimat ini sudah sah secara islam. > > > > > > bukan mengada ada. tapi itulah adanya. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mnrt pengacara Aceng talak melalui SMS itu legal dlm Islam. Memangnya > > > > ketika Nabi Junjungan menceraikan salah satu bininya, beliau juga ketik > > > > Talak lewat Ponsel? > > > > > > > > Ada2 saja sodara2 kita Muslim ini! > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 2:55 PM > > > > Subject: [proletar] CNN: Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal > > > > battle in Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > Peristiwa cere liwat SMS itu ternyata samp juga ke CNN.. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > [CNN] > > > > Divorce by text message sparks bizarre legal battle in Indonesia > > > > By Kathy Quiano, CNN > > > > December 6, 2012 -- Updated 0627 GMT (1427 HKT) > > > > > > > > CNN.com > > > > > > > > Jarkarta, Indonesia (CNN) -- The marriage lasted four days and ended in > > > > divorce via text message, from the 40-year-old local politician to his > > > > 17-year-old wife. > > > > > > > > Aceng Fikri claimed his young bride Fani Oktara was not a virgin, as > > > > she had claimed, so he decided to end the union, his lawyer Ujang > > > > Suja'I said. > > > > > > > > She denied it, and in turn accused Aceng -- who is the head of the > > > > district of Garut in West Java -- of spreading baseless accusations > > > > against her. Her lawyer Danny Suliwisjaya told CNN that Aceng had > > > > deceived his client into marriage. > > > > > > > > Aceng caused a stir after his July wedding to Fani. Although 16 is the > > > > legal age for marriage in Indonesia, Aceng was already married with > > > > children. Few Muslims practice polygamy, and while it is not against > > > > the law, Indonesian civil servants are also prohibited from taking on > > > > second spouses under strict regulations governing their private lives. > > > > > > > > A photo of the alleged wedding ceremony was posted on the Internet. > > > > Religious weddings are common in Indonesia but marriages need to be > > > > civilly and legally registered. > > > > > > > > Aceng claimed divorcing his wife through text messaging is allowed > > > > under Islamic Sharia law, his lawyer said. > > > > > > > > Public outrage over the marriage, and subsequent divorce, came after > > > > Fani reported Aceng to the police on Monday, asking that he be charged > > > > with falsifying his marital status, fraud, defamation and unpleasant > > > > conduct. > > > > > > > > Police are still investigating Fani's complaint; as yet, there are no > > > > charges against Aceng. > > > > > > > > There have since been daily protests in Garut, calling for his > > > > resignation. > > > > > > > > The girl's lawyer, Danny Suliswijaya, told CNN she and her family > > > > decided to go public only after months of asking Aceng for an apology. > > > > > > > > Suliswijaya said Aceng told Fani that he was a widower. > > > > > > > > "He said he married Fani as his only wife, so he cheated and failed to > > > > tell the truth," Suliswijaya said. The lawyer claims Aceng also reneged > > > > on promises to send her to university and to the minor Hajj in Mecca. > > > > > > > > The embattled official apologized late Monday but stood by his version > > > > of the story. "If what I did was wrong, even though it was allowed by > > > > Islamic law, then I deeply apologize to my family and my ex-wife," he > > > > told reporters. Ujang told CNN they will report Fani and her family to > > > > the police, seeking charges of fraud and extortion. > > > > > > > > "Aceng accused her of not being a virgin on the second day of their > > > > marriage and she didn't deny it. That's why Aceng decided to end the > > > > marriage and send her back to her parents," Aceng's lawyer said. Fani's > > > > attorney insists the accusations are baseless. > > > > > > > > According to his lawyer, Aceng gave the girl's family 43 million rupiah > > > > (roughly $4,000) for her university fees and the minor Hajj trip. He > > > > says the girl's family agreed to the settlement but continued to > > > > contact Aceng for more money, "blackmailing the district head." Fani's > > > > attorney denies Aceng's claims, and says all his client wanted was an > > > > apology. > > > > > > > > Indonesian President Susilo has ordered the Home Affairs Ministry to > > > > summon Aceng and investigate the matter. On Wednesday, Garut's local > > > > legislative council also decided to create a special committee to look > > > > into Aceng's case. > > > > > > > > His lawyer said the case needed "to go through legal channels," and > > > > that his client's potential removal as district chief was not imminent: > > > > "the council has to wait for the results of the police investigation > > > > before making a decision on Aceng's dismissal." > > > > > > > > Women and children's rights activists, however, welcome the > > > > investigations and the public outcry over the case. > > > > > > > > Muhammad Ihsan, secretary of the Commission for the Protection of > > > > Indonesian Children or KPAI, told CNN the regent head may be held > > > > liable for a sexual offense, if it is proven that the regent head > > > > deceived the teenage girl. > > > > > > > > The commission says human trafficking, the illegal sex trade and the > > > > exploitation of women are rampant, particularly in the province of West > > > > Java. > > > > > > > > In not a few cases, parents or relatives give up their teenage > > > > daughters for marriage, in exchange for money. > > > > > > > > Ihsan said that when the facts of this case become clearer, it could > > > > highlight well-known and common practices of exploiting young women. > > > > > > > > "If a public official is allowed to get away with behavior like this, > > > > then the public will think this is acceptable", said Ihsan. > > > > > > > > Rudy Madanir contributed to this report. > > > > 17 > > > > Comments ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâû > > > > > > > > Print > > > > Email > > > > More sharing > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâé 2012 Cable News Network. 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