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--- On Tue, 1/29/13, Nub <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Nub <[email protected]> > Subject: [proletar] Islam and the Golden Rule > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:40 AM > > > kayanya bener islam satu2nya agama yg tidak > mengajarkan golden rule. > > heck, i bet most of them dont even know what golden rule > is. > > > > Islam and the Golden Rule > > by Ali Sina http://www.islam-watch.org/AliSina/index.html> > > > > 30 May, 2009 > > > > From faithfreedom.org: > > > > Our friend Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, the indefatigable > defender of > > the Western civilization, send me the following email and > asked me to > > answer to the criticism of a Muslim to an article that I > wrote four > > years ago on the incompatibility of Islam and the Golden > Rule. Here is > > this Muslim's rebuttal and my response to him. > > > > Recently I came across an attack on your piece on Islam and > the Golden > > Rule. These passages below were cited in refutation. Any > guidance you > > can give me on responding to this would be greatly > appreciated. > > > > Islamic Text on the Golden Rule: > > > > The Quran: > > > > "Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do > good - to > > parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are > near, > > neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your side, the > wayfarer > > (ye meet), and what your right hands possess [the slave]: > For God loveth > > not the arrogant, the vainglorious" (Q:4:36) > > > > (In fact the Quran goes beyond saying the Golden Rule by > stating in more > > than four places that "Return evil with Kindness." > (13:22, > > 23:96, 41:34, 28:54, 42:40) > > > > Prophet Muhammad (pbuh): > > > > "None of you have faith until you love for your > neighbor what you > > love for yourself" (Sahih Muslim) > > > > "Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to > enter > > Paradise…should treat the people as he wishes to be > treated." > > (Sahih Muslim) > > > > "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his > brother what he > > wishes for himself" (Forty Hadith-Nawawi) > > > > "None of you is a believer if he eats his full while > his neighbour > > hasn't anything." (Musnad) > > > > "Do unto all men as you would wish to have done unto > you; and reject > > for others what you would reject for yourselves." (Abu > Dawud) > > > > "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." > (Farewell Sermon) > > > > "There should be neither harming nor reciprocating > harm." (Ibn- > > Majah) > > > > Hello Robert, > > > > The Quran is a book of double standards. Indeed, there are > exhortations > > to Muslims to be kind to the poor, the traveler, the orphan > and the > > sick. This is to be expected. If you want to start a > religion you must > > preach something good or you'd not find anyone to > believe you. You > > cannot preach only evil. In order to attract followers you > must teach > > things that people like and can easily identify as good. > Once they > > accept you as a prophet, guru or their spiritual guide, then > you can do > > whatever you want and get away with it. > > > > The difference between a true spiritual teacher and a conman > is in their > > consistency. There are several teachings of Muhammad that > can be > > compared to those of Jesus, but the teachings of Jesus are > consistent > > while those of Muhammad are not. Even a criminal can give > you good > > advises, this does not mean this criminal is a good person. > > > > When I was young there was a radio show in Iran called A > City within Our > > City. Every week the producer would interview a prison > inmate on death > > roll and the criminal would tell the story of his life and > what brought > > him to crime. At the end of the program the producer would > ask, whether > > the criminal had any advice for young people. These > criminals often had > > the best advises. They knew exactly the difference between > right and > > wrong. I recall thinking, if only someone complied the > advices of these > > criminals he could write the best book of guidance. Good > words are dime > > a dozen. If they are not accompanied by good actions they > are worthless. > > In fact the difference between a great man and a conman is > in how much > > their words and deeds differ. Even Obama came to power by > giving good > > talks. His entire life however was filled with crime and > chicanery. > > Demagogy is the domain of all charlatans and they are good > at it. > > > > We find similar good exhortations in the teachings of Jim > Jones who > > actually based his religion on "social justice". > He even adopted > > children from many races to set the example. > > > > The problem with the good teachings of Muhammad is that they > are > > reserved for fellow Muslims. When the hadith says, > "None of you > > [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he > wishes for > > himself,."it is talking about the fellow Muslims. > > > > The brotherhood in Islam does not extend to everyone. The > Quran (9:23 > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.023> > ) states that > > the believers should not take for friends and protectors > (awlia) their > > fathers and brothers if they love Infidelity above Islam. In > fact there > > are many verses that tell the Muslims to kill the > unbelievers and be > > harsh to them. A clear example that Islam is not based on > the Golden > > Rule is the verse (48:29) > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029> > : "Muhammad > > is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are > strong against > > Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." > This is the > > perfect definition of fascism. > > > > There are many other verses that show the brotherhood in > Islam is not > > universal. The non believers have no rights and should not > be treated in > > the same way that Muslims are to be treated. The entire > Quran is a > > breach of the Golden Rule. The Quran tells Muslims to slay > the > > unbelievers wherever they find them (2:191 > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.191> > ), do not > > befriend them (3:28 > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.028> > ), fight them > > and show them harshness (9:123 > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123> > ), smite their > > heads (47:4 http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.004> > ), > > etc. Are these verses compatible with the Golden Rule? > > > > Islam is the only doctrine, that calls upon its believers to > do evil to > > others for the simple fact that they are not believers. > > > > According to Muslims it is not the Golden Rule that defines > the good and > > bad, it is Muhammad who does it. They believe that what is > good for > > Islam is the highest virtue and what is bad for Islam is the > ultimate > > evil. This is the definition of good and evil in Islam. > This is the > > ethos of all cults. From Asahara's "Aum > Shinrikyo" to Jim > > Jones' "People's Temple"; from Sun Myung > Moon's > > "Unification Chruch" to David Koresh's > "Davidian > > Branch", the recurring theme is that the cult's > interests > > override the human understanding of right and wrong. In > order to advance > > the interest of the cult, which is regarded as the ultimate > good, > > everything, including lying, and even murder and > assassination are > > permissible. The end is deemed to be so lofty that it > justifies the > > means. This is the same idea of fascism where the > glorification of the > > state and the total subordination of the individual to it > are enforced. > > > > None of the verse quoted above have anything to do with the > Golden Rule. > > > > Verse 13:22 tells the believers to be patient and generous > with their > > money. This is what all cults demand from their followers. > The more > > sacrifice the cultist make the more he or she can be > manipulated. Verse > > 23:96 asks Muslims to repel evil, whereas the definition of > evil for > > Muhammad was contradicting him. Verse 41:34 is a Meccan > verse where > > Muhammad and his followers were the underdogs and here he > preached > > patience and said repel evil with good so your enemy becomes > as friend. > > Could he have done anything else? These orders changed when > Muhammad > > came to power. In Medina Muhammad banished and massacred > entire > > populations just because he suspected that they may not be > friendly to > > him. 28:54 is a repetition of 23:96 and 42:40 says whoever > forgives and > > amends, he shall have his reward from Allah. However, > Muhammad never > > forgave those who mocked him. As for Muhammad's > unforgiving nature > > it is enough to recall the fate of Oqba the man who when > Muhammad was in > > Mecca used to mock him and when he was captured in the > Battle of Badr, > > Muhammad ordered his decapitation. He ventured to > expostulate, and > > demand why he should be treated more vigorously than the > other captives > > who were kept for ransom. `Because of your enmity to God > and to his > > Prophet,' replied Muhammad. `And my little girl!' > cried > > Oqba, in the bitterness of his soul, `Who will take care of > > her?' – `Hellfire!' exclaimed the heartless > conqueror; > > and on the instant his victim was hewn to the ground. > `Wretch that > > he was!' continued Muhammad, `and persecutor! > Unbeliever in > > God, in his Prophet, and in his Book! I give thanks unto > the Lord that > > has slain you, and comforted mine eyes thereby.'[1] > > > > How do you reconcile the claim that Muhammad in his farewell > sermon > > said, "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." > With the fact > > that in his deathbed he said, "No two religions are > allowed in > > Arabia" and ordered the forced conversion, expulsion or > ethnic > > cleansing of the Jews and Christian and the murder of > Pagans? > > > > The sura 9, which is the last words of Muhammad, is a > manifesto of > > discrimination and human rights abuses. This sura alone is > proof that > > Islam is against the Golden Rule > > > > The first requisite to feel the pain and suffering of others > is to > > accept that they have feelings like us and they also feel > hurt the way > > we do. If we deny such feelings on others we do not feel any > remorse in > > abusing them. Muhammad claimed all those who disbelieve in > Allah are the > > worst creatures. He even said that all non-believers will > end up in hell > > where they will be tortured for eternity. How then Muslims > can treat > > equally those whom they believe to be worst than beast and > that deserve > > eternal punishment? > > > > There is nothing in the Quran and Hadith that would make us > believe that > > Islam is compatible with the Golden Rule. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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