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--- In [email protected], Ballast Yo  wrote:
>
> haha...segitu putus asanya itu ali sina.
> mengenaskan.
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 1/29/13, Nub  wrote:
> 
> > From: Nub 
> > Subject: [proletar] Islam and the Golden Rule
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:40 AM
> > 
>       
> >       
> >       kayanya bener islam satu2nya agama yg tidak
> > mengajarkan golden rule.
> > 
> > heck, i bet most of them dont even know what golden rule
> > is.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Islam and the Golden Rule
> > 
> > by Ali Sina http://www.islam-watch.org/AliSina/index.html>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 30 May, 2009
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From faithfreedom.org:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Our friend Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, the indefatigable
> > defender of
> > 
> > the Western civilization, send me the following email and
> > asked me to
> > 
> > answer to the criticism of a Muslim to an article that I
> > wrote four
> > 
> > years ago on the incompatibility of Islam and the Golden
> > Rule.  Here is
> > 
> > this Muslim's rebuttal and my response to him.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Recently I came across an attack on your piece on Islam and
> > the Golden
> > 
> > Rule. These passages below were cited in refutation. Any
> > guidance you
> > 
> > can give me on responding to this would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Islamic Text on the Golden Rule:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The Quran:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do
> > good - to
> > 
> > parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are
> > near,
> > 
> > neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your side, the
> > wayfarer
> > 
> > (ye meet), and what your right hands possess [the slave]:
> > For God loveth
> > 
> > not the arrogant, the vainglorious" (Q:4:36)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > (In fact the Quran goes beyond saying the Golden Rule by
> > stating in more
> > 
> > than four places that "Return evil with Kindness."
> > (13:22,
> > 
> > 23:96, 41:34, 28:54, 42:40)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "None of you have faith until you love for your
> > neighbor what you
> > 
> > love for yourself" (Sahih Muslim)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to
> > enter
> > 
> > Paradise…should treat the people as he wishes to be
> > treated."
> > 
> > (Sahih Muslim)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his
> > brother what he
> > 
> > wishes for himself" (Forty Hadith-Nawawi)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "None of you is a believer if he eats his full while
> > his neighbour
> > 
> > hasn't anything." (Musnad)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Do unto all men as you would wish to have done unto
> > you; and reject
> > 
> > for others what you would reject for yourselves." (Abu
> > Dawud)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you."
> > (Farewell Sermon)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "There should be neither harming nor reciprocating
> > harm." (Ibn-
> > 
> > Majah)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Robert,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The Quran is a book of double standards. Indeed, there are
> > exhortations
> > 
> > to Muslims to be kind to the poor, the traveler, the orphan
> > and the
> > 
> > sick.  This is to be expected. If you want to start a
> > religion you must
> > 
> > preach something good or you'd not find anyone to
> > believe you.  You
> > 
> > cannot preach only evil. In order to attract followers you
> > must teach
> > 
> > things that people like and can easily identify as good.
> > Once they
> > 
> > accept you as a prophet, guru or their spiritual guide, then
> > you can do
> > 
> > whatever you want and get away with it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The difference between a true spiritual teacher and a conman
> > is in their
> > 
> > consistency. There are several teachings of Muhammad that
> > can be
> > 
> > compared to those of Jesus, but the teachings of Jesus are
> > consistent
> > 
> > while those of Muhammad are not.  Even a criminal can give
> > you good
> > 
> > advises, this does not mean this criminal is a good person.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > When I was young there was a radio show in Iran called A
> > City within Our
> > 
> > City.  Every week the producer would interview a prison
> > inmate on death
> > 
> > roll and the criminal would tell the story of his life and
> > what brought
> > 
> > him to crime. At the end of the program the producer would
> > ask, whether
> > 
> > the criminal had any advice for young people. These
> > criminals often had
> > 
> > the best advises. They knew exactly the difference between
> > right and
> > 
> > wrong. I recall thinking, if only someone complied the
> > advices of these
> > 
> > criminals he could write the best book of guidance. Good
> > words are dime
> > 
> > a dozen. If they are not accompanied by good actions they
> > are worthless.
> > 
> > In fact the difference between a great man and a conman is
> > in how much
> > 
> > their words and deeds differ. Even Obama came to power by
> > giving good
> > 
> > talks. His entire life however was filled with crime and
> > chicanery. 
> > 
> > Demagogy is the domain of all charlatans and they are good
> > at it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > We find similar good exhortations in the teachings of Jim
> > Jones who
> > 
> > actually based his religion on "social justice".
> > He even adopted
> > 
> > children from many races to set the example.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The problem with the good teachings of Muhammad is that they
> > are
> > 
> > reserved for fellow Muslims. When the hadith says,
> > "None of you
> > 
> > [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he
> > wishes for
> > 
> > himself,."it is talking about the fellow Muslims.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The brotherhood in Islam does not extend to everyone. The
> > Quran (9:23
> > 
> > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.023>
> > ) states that
> > 
> > the believers should not take for friends and protectors
> > (awlia) their
> > 
> > fathers and brothers if they love Infidelity above Islam. In
> > fact there
> > 
> > are many verses that tell the Muslims to kill the
> > unbelievers and be
> > 
> > harsh to them. A clear example that Islam is not based on
> > the Golden
> > 
> > Rule is the verse (48:29)
> > 
> > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029>
> > : "Muhammad
> > 
> > is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are
> > strong against
> > 
> > Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." 
> > This is the
> > 
> > perfect definition of fascism.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > There are many other verses that show the brotherhood in
> > Islam is not
> > 
> > universal. The non believers have no rights and should not
> > be treated in
> > 
> > the same way that Muslims are to be treated. The entire
> > Quran is a
> > 
> > breach of the Golden Rule. The Quran tells Muslims to slay
> > the
> > 
> > unbelievers wherever they find them (2:191
> > 
> > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.191>
> > ), do not
> > 
> > befriend them (3:28
> > 
> > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.028>
> > ), fight them
> > 
> > and show them harshness (9:123
> > 
> > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123>
> > ), smite their
> > 
> > heads (47:4 http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.004>
> > ),
> > 
> > etc.  Are these verses compatible with the Golden Rule?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Islam is the only doctrine, that calls upon its believers to
> > do evil to
> > 
> > others for the simple fact that they are not believers.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > According to Muslims it is not the Golden Rule that defines
> > the good and
> > 
> > bad, it is Muhammad who does it. They believe that what is
> > good for
> > 
> > Islam is the highest virtue and what is bad for Islam is the
> > ultimate
> > 
> > evil.  This is the definition of good and evil in Islam.
> > This is the
> > 
> > ethos of all cults. From Asahara's "Aum 
> > Shinrikyo" to Jim
> > 
> > Jones' "People's Temple"; from Sun Myung
> > Moon's
> > 
> > "Unification Chruch" to David Koresh's
> > "Davidian
> > 
> > Branch", the recurring theme is that the cult's
> > interests
> > 
> > override the human understanding of right and wrong. In
> > order to advance
> > 
> > the interest of the cult, which is regarded as the ultimate
> > good,
> > 
> > everything, including lying, and even murder and
> > assassination are
> > 
> > permissible. The end is deemed to be so lofty that it
> > justifies the
> > 
> > means. This is the same idea of fascism where the
> > glorification of the
> > 
> > state and the total subordination of the individual to it
> > are enforced.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > None of the verse quoted above have anything to do with the
> > Golden Rule.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Verse 13:22 tells the believers to be patient and generous
> > with their
> > 
> > money. This is what all cults demand from their followers.
> > The more
> > 
> > sacrifice the cultist make the more he or she can be
> > manipulated. Verse
> > 
> > 23:96 asks Muslims to repel evil, whereas the definition of
> > evil for
> > 
> > Muhammad was contradicting him. Verse 41:34 is a Meccan
> > verse where
> > 
> > Muhammad and his followers were the underdogs and here he
> > preached
> > 
> > patience and said repel evil with good so your enemy becomes
> > as friend.
> > 
> > Could he have done anything else? These orders changed when
> > Muhammad
> > 
> > came to power. In Medina Muhammad banished and massacred
> > entire
> > 
> > populations just because he suspected that they may not be
> > friendly to
> > 
> > him. 28:54 is a repetition of 23:96 and 42:40 says whoever
> > forgives and
> > 
> > amends, he shall have his reward from Allah.  However,
> > Muhammad never
> > 
> > forgave those who mocked him. As for Muhammad's
> > unforgiving nature
> > 
> > it is enough to recall the fate of Oqba the man who when
> > Muhammad was in
> > 
> > Mecca used to mock him and when he was captured in the
> > Battle of Badr,
> > 
> > Muhammad ordered his decapitation. He ventured to
> > expostulate, and
> > 
> > demand why he should be treated more vigorously than the
> > other captives
> > 
> > who were kept for ransom.  `Because of your enmity to God
> > and to his
> > 
> > Prophet,' replied Muhammad. `And my little girl!'
> > cried
> > 
> > Oqba, in the bitterness of his soul, `Who will take care of
> > 
> > her?' â€" `Hellfire!' exclaimed the heartless
> > conqueror;
> > 
> > and on the instant his victim was hewn to the ground. 
> > `Wretch that
> > 
> > he was!' continued Muhammad, `and persecutor! 
> > Unbeliever in
> > 
> > God, in his Prophet, and in his Book!  I give thanks unto
> > the Lord that
> > 
> > has slain you, and comforted mine eyes thereby.'[1]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > How do you reconcile the claim that Muhammad in his farewell
> > sermon
> > 
> > said, "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you."
> > With the fact
> > 
> > that in his deathbed he said, "No two religions are
> > allowed in
> > 
> > Arabia" and ordered the forced conversion, expulsion or
> > ethnic
> > 
> > cleansing of the Jews and Christian and the murder of
> > Pagans?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The sura 9, which is the last words of Muhammad, is a
> > manifesto of
> > 
> > discrimination and human rights abuses. This sura alone is
> > proof that
> > 
> > Islam is against the Golden Rule
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The first requisite to feel the pain and suffering of others
> > is to
> > 
> > accept  that they have feelings like us and they also feel
> > hurt the way
> > 
> > we do. If we deny such feelings on others we do not feel any
> > remorse in
> > 
> > abusing them. Muhammad claimed all those who disbelieve in
> > Allah are the
> > 
> > worst creatures. He even said that all non-believers will
> > end up in hell
> > 
> > where they will be tortured for eternity. How then Muslims
> > can treat
> > 
> > equally those whom they believe to be worst than beast and
> > that deserve
> > 
> > eternal punishment?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > There is nothing in the Quran and Hadith that would make us
> > believe that
> > 
> > Islam is compatible with the Golden Rule.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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