Bawa kesimpulan tanpa dukungan argumen... --- In [email protected], Ballast Yo wrote: > > haha...segitu putus asanya itu ali sina. > mengenaskan. > > > --- On Tue, 1/29/13, Nub wrote: > > > From: Nub > > Subject: [proletar] Islam and the Golden Rule > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:40 AM > > > > > > > kayanya bener islam satu2nya agama yg tidak > > mengajarkan golden rule. > > > > heck, i bet most of them dont even know what golden rule > > is. > > > > > > > > Islam and the Golden Rule > > > > by Ali Sina http://www.islam-watch.org/AliSina/index.html> > > > > > > > > 30 May, 2009 > > > > > > > > From faithfreedom.org: > > > > > > > > Our friend Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, the indefatigable > > defender of > > > > the Western civilization, send me the following email and > > asked me to > > > > answer to the criticism of a Muslim to an article that I > > wrote four > > > > years ago on the incompatibility of Islam and the Golden > > Rule. Here is > > > > this Muslim's rebuttal and my response to him. > > > > > > > > Recently I came across an attack on your piece on Islam and > > the Golden > > > > Rule. These passages below were cited in refutation. Any > > guidance you > > > > can give me on responding to this would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > Islamic Text on the Golden Rule: > > > > > > > > The Quran: > > > > > > > > "Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do > > good - to > > > > parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are > > near, > > > > neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your side, the > > wayfarer > > > > (ye meet), and what your right hands possess [the slave]: > > For God loveth > > > > not the arrogant, the vainglorious" (Q:4:36) > > > > > > > > (In fact the Quran goes beyond saying the Golden Rule by > > stating in more > > > > than four places that "Return evil with Kindness." > > (13:22, > > > > 23:96, 41:34, 28:54, 42:40) > > > > > > > > Prophet Muhammad (pbuh): > > > > > > > > "None of you have faith until you love for your > > neighbor what you > > > > love for yourself" (Sahih Muslim) > > > > > > > > "Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to > > enter > > > > Paradiseâ¦should treat the people as he wishes to be > > treated." > > > > (Sahih Muslim) > > > > > > > > "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his > > brother what he > > > > wishes for himself" (Forty Hadith-Nawawi) > > > > > > > > "None of you is a believer if he eats his full while > > his neighbour > > > > hasn't anything." (Musnad) > > > > > > > > "Do unto all men as you would wish to have done unto > > you; and reject > > > > for others what you would reject for yourselves." (Abu > > Dawud) > > > > > > > > "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." > > (Farewell Sermon) > > > > > > > > "There should be neither harming nor reciprocating > > harm." (Ibn- > > > > Majah) > > > > > > > > Hello Robert, > > > > > > > > The Quran is a book of double standards. Indeed, there are > > exhortations > > > > to Muslims to be kind to the poor, the traveler, the orphan > > and the > > > > sick. This is to be expected. If you want to start a > > religion you must > > > > preach something good or you'd not find anyone to > > believe you. You > > > > cannot preach only evil. In order to attract followers you > > must teach > > > > things that people like and can easily identify as good. > > Once they > > > > accept you as a prophet, guru or their spiritual guide, then > > you can do > > > > whatever you want and get away with it. > > > > > > > > The difference between a true spiritual teacher and a conman > > is in their > > > > consistency. There are several teachings of Muhammad that > > can be > > > > compared to those of Jesus, but the teachings of Jesus are > > consistent > > > > while those of Muhammad are not. Even a criminal can give > > you good > > > > advises, this does not mean this criminal is a good person. > > > > > > > > When I was young there was a radio show in Iran called A > > City within Our > > > > City. Every week the producer would interview a prison > > inmate on death > > > > roll and the criminal would tell the story of his life and > > what brought > > > > him to crime. At the end of the program the producer would > > ask, whether > > > > the criminal had any advice for young people. These > > criminals often had > > > > the best advises. They knew exactly the difference between > > right and > > > > wrong. I recall thinking, if only someone complied the > > advices of these > > > > criminals he could write the best book of guidance. Good > > words are dime > > > > a dozen. If they are not accompanied by good actions they > > are worthless. > > > > In fact the difference between a great man and a conman is > > in how much > > > > their words and deeds differ. Even Obama came to power by > > giving good > > > > talks. His entire life however was filled with crime and > > chicanery. > > > > Demagogy is the domain of all charlatans and they are good > > at it. > > > > > > > > We find similar good exhortations in the teachings of Jim > > Jones who > > > > actually based his religion on "social justice". > > He even adopted > > > > children from many races to set the example. > > > > > > > > The problem with the good teachings of Muhammad is that they > > are > > > > reserved for fellow Muslims. When the hadith says, > > "None of you > > > > [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he > > wishes for > > > > himself,."it is talking about the fellow Muslims. > > > > > > > > The brotherhood in Islam does not extend to everyone. The > > Quran (9:23 > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.023> > > ) states that > > > > the believers should not take for friends and protectors > > (awlia) their > > > > fathers and brothers if they love Infidelity above Islam. In > > fact there > > > > are many verses that tell the Muslims to kill the > > unbelievers and be > > > > harsh to them. A clear example that Islam is not based on > > the Golden > > > > Rule is the verse (48:29) > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029> > > : "Muhammad > > > > is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are > > strong against > > > > Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." > > This is the > > > > perfect definition of fascism. > > > > > > > > There are many other verses that show the brotherhood in > > Islam is not > > > > universal. The non believers have no rights and should not > > be treated in > > > > the same way that Muslims are to be treated. The entire > > Quran is a > > > > breach of the Golden Rule. The Quran tells Muslims to slay > > the > > > > unbelievers wherever they find them (2:191 > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.191> > > ), do not > > > > befriend them (3:28 > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.028> > > ), fight them > > > > and show them harshness (9:123 > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123> > > ), smite their > > > > heads (47:4 http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.004> > > ), > > > > etc. Are these verses compatible with the Golden Rule? > > > > > > > > Islam is the only doctrine, that calls upon its believers to > > do evil to > > > > others for the simple fact that they are not believers. > > > > > > > > According to Muslims it is not the Golden Rule that defines > > the good and > > > > bad, it is Muhammad who does it. They believe that what is > > good for > > > > Islam is the highest virtue and what is bad for Islam is the > > ultimate > > > > evil. This is the definition of good and evil in Islam. > > This is the > > > > ethos of all cults. From Asahara's "Aum > > Shinrikyo" to Jim > > > > Jones' "People's Temple"; from Sun Myung > > Moon's > > > > "Unification Chruch" to David Koresh's > > "Davidian > > > > Branch", the recurring theme is that the cult's > > interests > > > > override the human understanding of right and wrong. In > > order to advance > > > > the interest of the cult, which is regarded as the ultimate > > good, > > > > everything, including lying, and even murder and > > assassination are > > > > permissible. The end is deemed to be so lofty that it > > justifies the > > > > means. This is the same idea of fascism where the > > glorification of the > > > > state and the total subordination of the individual to it > > are enforced. > > > > > > > > None of the verse quoted above have anything to do with the > > Golden Rule. > > > > > > > > Verse 13:22 tells the believers to be patient and generous > > with their > > > > money. This is what all cults demand from their followers. > > The more > > > > sacrifice the cultist make the more he or she can be > > manipulated. Verse > > > > 23:96 asks Muslims to repel evil, whereas the definition of > > evil for > > > > Muhammad was contradicting him. Verse 41:34 is a Meccan > > verse where > > > > Muhammad and his followers were the underdogs and here he > > preached > > > > patience and said repel evil with good so your enemy becomes > > as friend. > > > > Could he have done anything else? These orders changed when > > Muhammad > > > > came to power. In Medina Muhammad banished and massacred > > entire > > > > populations just because he suspected that they may not be > > friendly to > > > > him. 28:54 is a repetition of 23:96 and 42:40 says whoever > > forgives and > > > > amends, he shall have his reward from Allah. However, > > Muhammad never > > > > forgave those who mocked him. As for Muhammad's > > unforgiving nature > > > > it is enough to recall the fate of Oqba the man who when > > Muhammad was in > > > > Mecca used to mock him and when he was captured in the > > Battle of Badr, > > > > Muhammad ordered his decapitation. He ventured to > > expostulate, and > > > > demand why he should be treated more vigorously than the > > other captives > > > > who were kept for ransom. `Because of your enmity to God > > and to his > > > > Prophet,' replied Muhammad. `And my little girl!' > > cried > > > > Oqba, in the bitterness of his soul, `Who will take care of > > > > her?' â" `Hellfire!' exclaimed the heartless > > conqueror; > > > > and on the instant his victim was hewn to the ground. > > `Wretch that > > > > he was!' continued Muhammad, `and persecutor! > > Unbeliever in > > > > God, in his Prophet, and in his Book! I give thanks unto > > the Lord that > > > > has slain you, and comforted mine eyes thereby.'[1] > > > > > > > > How do you reconcile the claim that Muhammad in his farewell > > sermon > > > > said, "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." > > With the fact > > > > that in his deathbed he said, "No two religions are > > allowed in > > > > Arabia" and ordered the forced conversion, expulsion or > > ethnic > > > > cleansing of the Jews and Christian and the murder of > > Pagans? > > > > > > > > The sura 9, which is the last words of Muhammad, is a > > manifesto of > > > > discrimination and human rights abuses. This sura alone is > > proof that > > > > Islam is against the Golden Rule > > > > > > > > The first requisite to feel the pain and suffering of others > > is to > > > > accept that they have feelings like us and they also feel > > hurt the way > > > > we do. If we deny such feelings on others we do not feel any > > remorse in > > > > abusing them. Muhammad claimed all those who disbelieve in > > Allah are the > > > > worst creatures. He even said that all non-believers will > > end up in hell > > > > where they will be tortured for eternity. How then Muslims > > can treat > > > > equally those whom they believe to be worst than beast and > > that deserve > > > > eternal punishment? > > > > > > > > There is nothing in the Quran and Hadith that would make us > > believe that > > > > Islam is compatible with the Golden Rule. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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