Ballast Yo yang berotak anjing itu ketangkap basah pamer kedunguan: bawa kesimpulan tanpa dukungan argumen
Lantas dia cuap-cuap kayak nonok bebek yang baru dientotin monyet bonobo seperti dibawah ini, sekedar pamer otaknya yang sudah busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. --- In [email protected], Ballast Yo wrote: > > pig, > argumen apa lagi sih kamu butuhkan? ngomongin quran? kan banyak pig. > gak seenak ali sina yg pilih2 ayat dan menyusun argumen makelar kodok. > > kebaikan-kebaikan dlm quran: > > etika menghadap alah, > teguh pendirian, > mendamaikan perselisihan antar manusia, > taubat, > anjuran bersedekah, > mendahulukan kepentingan orang lain, > menyempurnakan takaran dan timbangan > keutamaan berbuat baik, > berbakti kpd ortu, > silaturahmi, > tolong menolong, > takwa, > tawadhu, > tawakal, > berpendirian, > cinta krn allah, > menjaga rahasia, > hikmah, > sabar, > malu, > zuhud, > jujur, > mematuhi pemimpin, > dst... > dst.. > .... > .... > buanyak banget dah. > ttg kasih sayang juga ada, > capek ketik lah. > > pengin tau ayat2 nya juga gak pig?? > kan elu mu'tazilah, cari sendiri ya. > > > > --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Bukan Pedanda wrote: > > > From: Bukan Pedanda > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Islam and the Golden Rule (Ballast Yo berotak > > anjing...) > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > Bawa kesimpulan tanpa dukungan argumen... > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > Ballast Yo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > haha...segitu putus asanya itu ali sina. > > > > > mengenaskan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/29/13, Nub wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Nub > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Islam and the Golden Rule > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:40 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kayanya bener islam satu2nya agama yg tidak > > > > > > mengajarkan golden rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > heck, i bet most of them dont even know what > > golden rule > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam and the Golden Rule > > > > > > > > > > > > by Ali Sina http://www.islam-watch.org/AliSina/index.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 May, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From faithfreedom.org: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our friend Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, the > > indefatigable > > > > > > defender of > > > > > > > > > > > > the Western civilization, send me the following > > email and > > > > > > asked me to > > > > > > > > > > > > answer to the criticism of a Muslim to an article > > that I > > > > > > wrote four > > > > > > > > > > > > years ago on the incompatibility of Islam and the > > Golden > > > > > > Rule. Here is > > > > > > > > > > > > this Muslim's rebuttal and my response to > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I came across an attack on your piece on > > Islam and > > > > > > the Golden > > > > > > > > > > > > Rule. These passages below were cited in > > refutation. Any > > > > > > guidance you > > > > > > > > > > > > can give me on responding to this would be > > greatly > > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Islamic Text on the Golden Rule: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Quran: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Serve God, and join not any partners with > > Him; and do > > > > > > good - to > > > > > > > > > > > > parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, > > neighbors who are > > > > > > near, > > > > > > > > > > > > neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your > > side, the > > > > > > wayfarer > > > > > > > > > > > > (ye meet), and what your right hands possess [the > > slave]: > > > > > > For God loveth > > > > > > > > > > > > not the arrogant, the vainglorious" (Q:4:36) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (In fact the Quran goes beyond saying the Golden > > Rule by > > > > > > stating in more > > > > > > > > > > > > than four places that "Return evil with > > Kindness." > > > > > > (13:22, > > > > > > > > > > > > 23:96, 41:34, 28:54, 42:40) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophet Muhammad (pbuh): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "None of you have faith until you love for > > your > > > > > > neighbor what you > > > > > > > > > > > > love for yourself" (Sahih Muslim) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire > > and to > > > > > > enter > > > > > > > > > > > > Paradiseââ¬Â¦should treat the people as he > > wishes to be > > > > > > treated." > > > > > > > > > > > > (Sahih Muslim) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "None of you truly believes until he wishes > > for his > > > > > > brother what he > > > > > > > > > > > > wishes for himself" (Forty Hadith-Nawawi) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "None of you is a believer if he eats his > > full while > > > > > > his neighbour > > > > > > > > > > > > hasn't anything." (Musnad) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do unto all men as you would wish to have > > done unto > > > > > > you; and reject > > > > > > > > > > > > for others what you would reject for > > yourselves." (Abu > > > > > > Dawud) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt > > you." > > > > > > (Farewell Sermon) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There should be neither harming nor > > reciprocating > > > > > > harm." (Ibn- > > > > > > > > > > > > Majah) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Robert, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Quran is a book of double standards. Indeed, > > there are > > > > > > exhortations > > > > > > > > > > > > to Muslims to be kind to the poor, the traveler, > > the orphan > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > sick. This is to be expected. If you want to > > start a > > > > > > religion you must > > > > > > > > > > > > preach something good or you'd not find anyone > > to > > > > > > believe you. You > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot preach only evil. In order to attract > > followers you > > > > > > must teach > > > > > > > > > > > > things that people like and can easily identify as > > good. > > > > > > Once they > > > > > > > > > > > > accept you as a prophet, guru or their spiritual > > guide, then > > > > > > you can do > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you want and get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The difference between a true spiritual teacher > > and a conman > > > > > > is in their > > > > > > > > > > > > consistency. There are several teachings of > > Muhammad that > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > compared to those of Jesus, but the teachings of > > Jesus are > > > > > > consistent > > > > > > > > > > > > while those of Muhammad are not. Even a criminal > > can give > > > > > > you good > > > > > > > > > > > > advises, this does not mean this criminal is a > > good person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was young there was a radio show in Iran > > called A > > > > > > City within Our > > > > > > > > > > > > City. Every week the producer would interview a > > prison > > > > > > inmate on death > > > > > > > > > > > > roll and the criminal would tell the story of his > > life and > > > > > > what brought > > > > > > > > > > > > him to crime. At the end of the program the > > producer would > > > > > > ask, whether > > > > > > > > > > > > the criminal had any advice for young people. > > These > > > > > > criminals often had > > > > > > > > > > > > the best advises. They knew exactly the difference > > between > > > > > > right and > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong. I recall thinking, if only someone complied > > the > > > > > > advices of these > > > > > > > > > > > > criminals he could write the best book of > > guidance. Good > > > > > > words are dime > > > > > > > > > > > > a dozen. If they are not accompanied by good > > actions they > > > > > > are worthless. > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact the difference between a great man and a > > conman is > > > > > > in how much > > > > > > > > > > > > their words and deeds differ. Even Obama came to > > power by > > > > > > giving good > > > > > > > > > > > > talks. His entire life however was filled with > > crime and > > > > > > chicanery. > > > > > > > > > > > > Demagogy is the domain of all charlatans and they > > are good > > > > > > at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We find similar good exhortations in the teachings > > of Jim > > > > > > Jones who > > > > > > > > > > > > actually based his religion on "social > > justice". > > > > > > He even adopted > > > > > > > > > > > > children from many races to set the example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with the good teachings of Muhammad is > > that they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > reserved for fellow Muslims. When the hadith > > says, > > > > > > "None of you > > > > > > > > > > > > [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother > > what he > > > > > > wishes for > > > > > > > > > > > > himself,."it is talking about the fellow > > Muslims. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brotherhood in Islam does not extend to > > everyone. The > > > > > > Quran (9:23 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.023> > > > > > > ) states that > > > > > > > > > > > > the believers should not take for friends and > > protectors > > > > > > (awlia) their > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers and brothers if they love Infidelity above > > Islam. In > > > > > > fact there > > > > > > > > > > > > are many verses that tell the Muslims to kill the > > > > > > unbelievers and be > > > > > > > > > > > > harsh to them. A clear example that Islam is not > > based on > > > > > > the Golden > > > > > > > > > > > > Rule is the verse (48:29) > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029> > > > > > > : "Muhammad > > > > > > > > > > > > is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with > > him are > > > > > > strong against > > > > > > > > > > > > Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each > > other." > > > > > > This is the > > > > > > > > > > > > perfect definition of fascism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other verses that show the > > brotherhood in > > > > > > Islam is not > > > > > > > > > > > > universal. The non believers have no rights and > > should not > > > > > > be treated in > > > > > > > > > > > > the same way that Muslims are to be treated. The > > entire > > > > > > Quran is a > > > > > > > > > > > > breach of the Golden Rule. The Quran tells Muslims > > to slay > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievers wherever they find them (2:191 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.191> > > > > > > ), do not > > > > > > > > > > > > befriend them (3:28 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.028> > > > > > > ), fight them > > > > > > > > > > > > and show them harshness (9:123 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123> > > > > > > ), smite their > > > > > > > > > > > > heads (47:4 http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.004> > > > > > > ), > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. Are these verses compatible with the Golden > > Rule? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam is the only doctrine, that calls upon its > > believers to > > > > > > do evil to > > > > > > > > > > > > others for the simple fact that they are not > > believers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Muslims it is not the Golden Rule > > that defines > > > > > > the good and > > > > > > > > > > > > bad, it is Muhammad who does it. They believe that > > what is > > > > > > good for > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam is the highest virtue and what is bad for > > Islam is the > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > > > evil. This is the definition of good and evil in > > Islam. > > > > > > This is the > > > > > > > > > > > > ethos of all cults. From Asahara's "Aum > > > > > > Shinrikyo" to Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > Jones' "People's Temple"; from > > Sun Myung > > > > > > Moon's > > > > > > > > > > > > "Unification Chruch" to David > > Koresh's > > > > > > "Davidian > > > > > > > > > > > > Branch", the recurring theme is that the > > cult's > > > > > > interests > > > > > > > > > > > > override the human understanding of right and > > wrong. In > > > > > > order to advance > > > > > > > > > > > > the interest of the cult, which is regarded as the > > ultimate > > > > > > good, > > > > > > > > > > > > everything, including lying, and even murder and > > > > > > assassination are > > > > > > > > > > > > permissible. The end is deemed to be so lofty that > > it > > > > > > justifies the > > > > > > > > > > > > means. This is the same idea of fascism where the > > > > > > glorification of the > > > > > > > > > > > > state and the total subordination of the > > individual to it > > > > > > are enforced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of the verse quoted above have anything to do > > with the > > > > > > Golden Rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse 13:22 tells the believers to be patient and > > generous > > > > > > with their > > > > > > > > > > > > money. This is what all cults demand from their > > followers. > > > > > > The more > > > > > > > > > > > > sacrifice the cultist make the more he or she can > > be > > > > > > manipulated. Verse > > > > > > > > > > > > 23:96 asks Muslims to repel evil, whereas the > > definition of > > > > > > evil for > > > > > > > > > > > > Muhammad was contradicting him. Verse 41:34 is a > > Meccan > > > > > > verse where > > > > > > > > > > > > Muhammad and his followers were the underdogs and > > here he > > > > > > preached > > > > > > > > > > > > patience and said repel evil with good so your > > enemy becomes > > > > > > as friend. > > > > > > > > > > > > Could he have done anything else? These orders > > changed when > > > > > > Muhammad > > > > > > > > > > > > came to power. In Medina Muhammad banished and > > massacred > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > > populations just because he suspected that they > > may not be > > > > > > friendly to > > > > > > > > > > > > him. 28:54 is a repetition of 23:96 and 42:40 says > > whoever > > > > > > forgives and > > > > > > > > > > > > amends, he shall have his reward from Allah. > > However, > > > > > > Muhammad never > > > > > > > > > > > > forgave those who mocked him. As for > > Muhammad's > > > > > > unforgiving nature > > > > > > > > > > > > it is enough to recall the fate of Oqba the man > > who when > > > > > > Muhammad was in > > > > > > > > > > > > Mecca used to mock him and when he was captured in > > the > > > > > > Battle of Badr, > > > > > > > > > > > > Muhammad ordered his decapitation. He ventured to > > > > > > expostulate, and > > > > > > > > > > > > demand why he should be treated more vigorously > > than the > > > > > > other captives > > > > > > > > > > > > who were kept for ransom. `Because of your enmity > > to God > > > > > > and to his > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophet,' replied Muhammad. `And my little > > girl!' > > > > > > cried > > > > > > > > > > > > Oqba, in the bitterness of his soul, `Who will > > take care of > > > > > > > > > > > > her?' ââ¬" `Hellfire!' exclaimed > > the heartless > > > > > > conqueror; > > > > > > > > > > > > and on the instant his victim was hewn to the > > ground. > > > > > > `Wretch that > > > > > > > > > > > > he was!' continued Muhammad, `and persecutor! > > > > > > > > Unbeliever in > > > > > > > > > > > > God, in his Prophet, and in his Book! I give > > thanks unto > > > > > > the Lord that > > > > > > > > > > > > has slain you, and comforted mine eyes > > thereby.'[1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you reconcile the claim that Muhammad in > > his farewell > > > > > > sermon > > > > > > > > > > > > said, "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt > > you." > > > > > > With the fact > > > > > > > > > > > > that in his deathbed he said, "No two > > religions are > > > > > > allowed in > > > > > > > > > > > > Arabia" and ordered the forced conversion, > > expulsion or > > > > > > ethnic > > > > > > > > > > > > cleansing of the Jews and Christian and the murder > > of > > > > > > Pagans? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sura 9, which is the last words of Muhammad, > > is a > > > > > > manifesto of > > > > > > > > > > > > discrimination and human rights abuses. This sura > > alone is > > > > > > proof that > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam is against the Golden Rule > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first requisite to feel the pain and suffering > > of others > > > > > > is to > > > > > > > > > > > > accept that they have feelings like us and they > > also feel > > > > > > hurt the way > > > > > > > > > > > > we do. If we deny such feelings on others we do > > not feel any > > > > > > remorse in > > > > > > > > > > > > abusing them. Muhammad claimed all those who > > disbelieve in > > > > > > Allah are the > > > > > > > > > > > > worst creatures. He even said that all > > non-believers will > > > > > > end up in hell > > > > > > > > > > > > where they will be tortured for eternity. How then > > Muslims > > > > > > can treat > > > > > > > > > > > > equally those whom they believe to be worst than > > beast and > > > > > > that deserve > > > > > > > > > > > > eternal punishment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in the Quran and Hadith that > > would make us > > > > > > believe that > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam is compatible with the Golden Rule. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
