On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:26 AM Brian Brazil < [email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 10:10, Julius Volz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:01 AM Brian Brazil < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 09:25, Ben Kochie <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the link to the other survey. That's pretty good. >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:27 PM 'Tom Lee' via Prometheus Users < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Richard, >>>>> >>>>> Reading between the lines it sounds like we're *potentially* talking >>>>> about a broader/larger "State of Clojure >>>>> <https://clojure.org/news/2020/02/20/state-of-clojure-2020>" >>>>> type thing for Prometheus. Is that accurate? >>>>> >>>>> Certainly don't mind the results being public. My only real concern is >>>>> timelines: we were hoping to use some of the raw data to help advise some >>>>> load testing on our end, and things are already looking pretty aggressive. >>>>> If we're looking at something that's going to take weeks or more to start >>>>> seeing results rolling in we probably won't quite get the data we were >>>>> hoping to get in time. From a purely selfish perspective we'd be pretty >>>>> disappointed to go forward without data from "the source", so to speak. Of >>>>> course, I totally understand the team's actions here. I'm just whining to >>>>> myself. >>>>> >>>>> Timelines aside, we'd be excited to see something "official" in the >>>>> longer term. It would be useful for engineers like myself, and I know >>>>> there >>>>> are product managers and research folks lurking our virtual halls who >>>>> would >>>>> love such readily available data for future efforts. >>>>> >>>>> The questions from our survey: >>>>> >>>>> - Roughly how many Prometheus *servers* are you operationally >>>>> responsible for? >>>>> - Of all the Prometheus servers that you are responsible for, >>>>> which version would you say is the most widely deployed? >>>>> >>>>> The first two questions are good. I might modify the first one to >>>> clarify with/without HA. For example, we have 21 Prometheus servers, but 7 >>>> of those are duplicates for HA. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> - How many unique metrics are reporting across all of your >>>>> Prometheus servers? >>>>> - How many unique *timeseries* are reporting across all of your >>>>> Prometheus servers? >>>>> >>>>> These two need to be clarified for Prometheus. We tend to use the >>>> terms metrics and time-series interchangeably. Are you asking about unique >>>> metric names? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> - If you use Grafana to visualize your Prometheus data, what >>>>> version of Grafana do you typically use? >>>>> - What value do you typically use for the "scrape_interval" config >>>>> setting in your Prometheus servers? >>>>> - Is there anything else you would like to tell us about your >>>>> Prometheus deployment(s)? For example, interesting challenges, pain >>>>> points, >>>>> or quirks of your configuration? >>>>> >>>>> I have a few additional questions that could be added to the list. >>>> >>>> * How many unique exporter/target types do you have? >>>> * What is your samples/second ingestion rate across all Prometheus >>>> servers? >>>> * What is your general metric retention time? >>>> * Do you use external storage (Federation/remote_write/etc) >>>> >>> * If yes, which external storage system(s)? >>>> >>> >>> I'd be also interested in what versions of Java/Python are in use, and >>> in particular what are the oldest JVM versions that users are using the >>> jmx_exporter with. >>> >> >> If we're getting that specific I'd be worried there'd be a lot of other >> questions in that specificity category. But if it's only these couple it >> would be fine. >> > > I don't see how this is much different in terms of specificity as some of > the other proposed questions. > > These are things I want to know as the Java/Python maintainer, as we > currently support some rather old versions of these runtimes. It'd be good > to know if it's e.g. safe to drop Python 2.6 support. > Fine with me if you want to add these to the doc. I do think they're more specific in that they're less about the high-level deployment stats, and relevant for a smaller number of users. > Brian > > >> >> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Look forward to whatever might eventuate here, those big community >>>>> surveys are always a lot of fun to read through. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 9:25 AM Richard Hartmann < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>>> >>>>>> after some internal deliberation, we think it would be unfair to give >>>>>> any single survey our official blessing, and running more than once >>>>>> every, say, year seems to be too much for users, too. On the other >>>>>> hand, user surveys make sense for everyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Would you be OK with sending your questions to >>>>>> [email protected] or as a reply in this thread? We >>>>>> would then publish them for comments/feedback and run the survey under >>>>>> the Prometheus umbrella, sharing replies publicly. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:44 PM 'Tom Lee' via Prometheus Users >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Understood Julius, appreciate the transparency. Thank you! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:37 PM Julius Volz < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Hi Tom, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Thanks for checking in first! We're currently discussing within >>>>>> the Prometheus Team how we would prefer to handle such requests in >>>>>> general >>>>>> (so that things remain fair between companies, etc.) and will get back to >>>>>> you as soon. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Regards, >>>>>> >> Julius >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 7:21 PM 'Tom Lee' via Prometheus Users < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Hi folks, >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Full disclosure: I'm an engineer from New Relic ( >>>>>> https://newrelic.com/). We've been looking into improving our open >>>>>> source monitoring story and Prometheus is a key piece of that. Right now, >>>>>> though, there are some pieces of the puzzle that we can't easily dig into >>>>>> without more input from the Prometheus community at large. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Is this mailing list an okay place to send a Google Forms type >>>>>> survey with maybe half a dozen questions? And if not, can folks suggest >>>>>> somewhere that might be more appropriate? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>> Tom >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>> Google Groups "Prometheus Users" group. >>>>>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-users/b48e651a-b264-4ade-8eb8-7dc7eec11b15%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> . >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> Julius Volz >>>>>> >> PromLabs - promlabs.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Prometheus Users" group. >>>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-users/CAMUmz5j6aqwyJ8aDmFvggkD%2BeTpMMLzM0zTp1kXgnFP%2Bd%3Dw5fQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Prometheus Users" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-users/CAMUmz5gNNk4naMFLJ_cWQJQO5g1pGVTZnn74FF4PV%3DHOmhpTqw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-users/CAMUmz5gNNk4naMFLJ_cWQJQO5g1pGVTZnn74FF4PV%3DHOmhpTqw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Prometheus Users" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-users/CABbyFmqGobiq7NUF-jzqGXOphhG8JjYrb%3D19C5Sm6W5CctmquA%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-users/CABbyFmqGobiq7NUF-jzqGXOphhG8JjYrb%3D19C5Sm6W5CctmquA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Brazil >>> www.robustperception.io >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Prometheus Users" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-users/CAHJKeLpMkTe0LU_MiTEe9BgDCDAtQ7BCVaiXtjPRzoQ4FO1WTA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-users/CAHJKeLpMkTe0LU_MiTEe9BgDCDAtQ7BCVaiXtjPRzoQ4FO1WTA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> > > -- > Brian Brazil > www.robustperception.io > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Prometheus Users" group. 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