Thanks for all your comments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2002 12:46 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Assembly drawing reference designators

some people like the assy dwg to look different than the silkscreen
for example someone may prefer on the assy dwg to have all the 
designators 'inside' the component outline
this way they are completely unambiguous
on a silkscreen the designators are often 'outside' the outline so that 
you can read them when the part is loaded

the special strings allow you to have it both ways but it certainly 
doesn't make it all less work

we don't use them here

Dennis Saputelli

Igor Gmitrovic wrote:
> Could someone comment on what is the advantage of using .Designator string
> as opposed to default component Designator? You can move default
> to any track or mechanical layer, position them automatically and resize
> fit into or next to a component. Doing that with the .Designator string
> would require those to be done manually and therefore take too much time.
> Regards,
> Igor
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Eloranta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 31 May 2002 12:48 AM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Assembly drawing reference designators
> I use the ".Designator" string on all PCB library parts. I draw a part
> outline on mechanical layer1 and the designator string. For bottom side
> components I change these to mechanical layer3 by unlocking primitives and
> doing a global change layer and mirror string on the ".designator" string.
> I find the ".designator" string in the way a lot because it is much longer
> than the 4 character designators usually found on my boards. I place the
> beginning of the string within the part outline and size it so a 4
> string remains within the part outline usually 30mil. I find myself
> changing the size of the ".designator" string a lot using the
> match-text-same option. I make it very small 15mil for parts placing and
> grouping so that it is easier to select parts inside a window.  When the
> layout is complete I rotate the ".designator" strings to read left to
> and up to down. I use Protel99se, for the price it really should be able
> do more for board documentation. A mirrored mechanical layer pair,
> associative dimensioning,  a shorter ".designator", and move string to and
> center string on component insertion point are all functions I need
> everyday.  I call my layout parts placement drawing, a locator drawing.
> mechanical engineers like to use the assembly drawing term for the higher
> level drawings.  Another week area for Protel99se in PCB design is
> what I call a PCB Fabrication Specification Drawing. A readme file was ok
> simple boards before ISO, now I rely on a fab spec to hold the file names
> the gerbers the materials applicable IPC standards, UL material
> etc.. The Fab. Spec. is my controlling document and if a problem is found
> the board house with a layer and I need make a new gerber, I then send a
> file name for that layer along with a new rev of the Fab Spec. . I find
> important so that boards are an absolute known element and the design can
> move forward over time.
> Dave Eloranta
> Locus Inc.
> Madison, WI
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent:   Thursday, May 30, 2002 7:32 AM
> To:     Protel EDA Forum
> Subject:        Re: [PEDA] Assembly drawing reference designators
> In a message dated 5/30/2002 8:16:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > How do you set up a text field that reflects the reference designator?
> Once
> > set up, this test string could be placed under the component for the
> > assembly drawing, leaving the TopOverlay reference designator where it
> > If the board is re-annotated, changing the reference designators, this
> text
> > string would also change to reflect the new reference designator.  Does
> > anybody know how to do this?
> >
> >
> You can place a string ".Designator" anywhere you like, including on the
> mechanical layers. I just tried this on a dummy library part and it
> to work just fine. The big reason that I haven't used this facility is
> it doesn't handle double-sided assemblies. There is no linkage between
> side the part is on, and placing that string on one of two different
> assembly
> drawings. It could be handled with a global edit when the design is all
> done,
> to move all the .Designator strings associated with parts on the bottom
> layer
> to the secondary side assembly drawing layer, but this would be
> Still, any mistakes would likely be blatantly obvious and easily fixed, so
> maybe it has merit.
> Steve Hendrix

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